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doobie - Jedi Council  |
Brought to us by FaDed: Mission Statement of the JASE The purpose of the Jedi Academy Society of Excellence is to recognize individuals who are striving for excellence within the Jedi Academy. Students selected into JASE are highly respected among the JA by both students and trainers alike. Their job is to help, teach, and maintain. JASE students are always available if a student has a question or if a trainer is in need of an assistant. JASE students are knowledgeable and can share their knowledge in a clear, precise manner. JASE students are aware of student activities and will promptly report any violation of JA rules after negotiations fail. JASE Organization I. Founder A. Oversees all JASE activity B. Has final say in all JASE related matters II. Co-Founders A. Assistants to the Founder 1. Advise and participate in all major decisions B. Oversee and run all Commitees 1. Select and organize commitee members III. Commitees A. Selection Commitee 1. Organize and run the selection process 2. Evaluate students 3. 5-10 Commitee members B. Reports Commitee 1. Read and archive all student reports 2. 3-6 Commitee members IV. Students A. Active members of the Jedi Academy B. Submit weekly reports JASE Rules 1. Follow all JA rules 2. Adhere to the JASE Code of Honor 3. Always tell the truth 4. Take responsibility for actions 5. Be on time to appointments 6. Make and keep promises 7. Respect students and trainers 8. Always more praise than critique 9. Do not brag or boast 10. Take suggestions with gratitude 11. Be open to questions 12. Know the answer 13. Always strive to become better 14. Be active in the Jedi Knight community 15. Continously train others 16. Always seek to develop relationships 17. Be skilled in all weapons and game modes 18. Develop a specialty 19. Fill out and submit weekly reports 20. Bring honor to the JA and JASE Code of Honor Commit Yourself To Excellence Characteristics of Excellence Honesty Integrity Respect Humility Knowledge Commitment Comradery Proficient JASE Weekly Report JA Name: JASE Position: Date: Servers Played On: Date and Time of Play: _______________ -Academy Leader/Dictator/Defeater of DJ Sith and JACen Solo in the JAK+ Tournament -I do think it (the JA) will help convert dozens, maybe hundreds, to the dork nation... --me |
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doobie - Jedi Council 
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Just to reiterate what I already reiterated, this is an UNOFFICIAL group run by students for students. The administration is only offering help getting it off the ground, nothing more nothing less. Don't get your panties all in a bundle, if you don't like it you don't have to participate, and don't need to be afraid that JASE members will have some sort of official function in the JA: they won't  _______________ -Academy Leader/Dictator/Defeater of DJ Sith and JACen Solo in the JAK+ Tournament -I do think it (the JA) will help convert dozens, maybe hundreds, to the dork nation... --me |
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Phantom - Student 
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I think this is a great idea and I would like to join. _______________ -Phantom Ex-Master to Threat. Proud owner of Sazabi's 1500th comment! And Threats 50th comment "Insanity: a perfect rational adjustment to an insane world" |
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Rendar - Student 
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You could always do a mix of these two ideas. How you FaDed, moby, and prod make a list of people they feel uphold the ideals of JASE. And then let the students vote, or the other way around. Students make a list and the three founders vote to see who makes it. That way everyone wins. But then again... i think its fine to just have FaDed, moby, and prod decided right of the bat. |
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FaDed - Student 
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my fear of allowing students to vote on and select the commitees is that i don't want it to be a popularity contest. i also feel that my co-founders will do everything in their power to select the right people for the job, be it popular or not. but i'm not ruling out the possibility of doing a student vote. |
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Aeth S'kray - Retired 
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Ok, but what do you think about votes? Wouldnt it be best to let students deside on who should select the JASE members? I mean, this way they would feel included in the system and would trust the selectors more. _______________ Aeth S'kray *June 2002 +September 2003 |
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FaDed - Student
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i understand all of your concern. the issue with the ranks was that all the focus was on obtaining them. but JASE is not about ranks. in fact, there aren't any. as for the whole thing being set up by 3 relatively new guys, that is a completely valid argument. but in our defense, all 3 of us have been playing jk2 since the game came out. all 3 of us are well known in the JA, atleast on the american side, despite our high id #'s. but even then, Jedi Prodigy's id # is 690. so honestly, we really aren't new. the reports are something that we have been debating and trying to decide if they're really necessary. so just keep in mind that nothing is set in stone or official yet. please don't get the idea that we are doing this to have control over a large amount of people. that's not the idea. we don't want to boast about how good we are or how magnificent our attitudes are. we are simply trying to provide a way for students to be seen and heard by other students. we are trying to start up something that will attract student interest and keep them active in the JA. |
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Aeth S'kray - Retired
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Faded, could you please just edit your comments instead if soing those double posts?  I'm a bit sceptic with this whole idea, as I've already said so in the JAK forum. In my opinion JASE sounds exactly like JAK without rank and admin. The JAKs are the police, the JAKs are the students helpers. If you have the opinion that they dont do their job good enough, we have to change the JAKs instead of setting up a new system. If we want to create a student-recognition system, that's fine, but keep it clean and simple, like adding a symbol to the profile or something similar. AND I have to double Bubu's concern about the election progress. Only three (relatively new) guys setting up the whole system? Shouldnt be the students included more as its an organisation for themselves? Imo, you start getting away from the students right at the start by having a lead which is not formed by the students themselves but set up by only 3 guys. Another thing, lot's of committees, resposiblities, reports, rules... serious, I dont get it. If you want to help the students and actually SERVE means IMPROOVE situation for the students you have to use a system that is clear and understandable. In my view, it looks like many many ranks and no real use. Sorry for beeing that negative, but as you see I have my arguments... go ahead and convince me _______________ Aeth S'kray *June 2002 +September 2003 This comment was edited by Aeth S'kray on Jun 21 2003 11:18am. |
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Rendar - Student 
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I love and support the entire idea of JASE. I am willing to help in any way. FaDed you know how to get ahold of me :p The way I see JASE is more of like.... well a gentlemens agreement. Its basicly a very good way for certain individuals to be apart of a group that strives for the same things the JAT's and JAK's do, but in a setting where they have more of say. Its very good for those who ready for leadership and who are good role-models here in the academy, but for one reason or another dont make it to JAK or JAT. This comment was edited by Rendar on Jun 21 2003 10:58am. |
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Halendor - Ex-Student 
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But I still don't see the need for such an organisation. Knights and Trainers pursue the exact same things, and are considered the creme-de-la-creme of the Academy. If you are a good player, you know it yourself, and I think if you are a really good player, you don't need to be 'recognized' as excellent because you know it yourself and you try to help other people as much as possible already! JASE could result in only promoting bragging and such. |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
I know Faded, but I come from a place where humility is very high ranked. Just making sure you won't tolerate any brag-bs. One thing is saying you're a good player if you ARE, another thing is to praise yourself and make you seem more important than others. |
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FaDed - Student 
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wow guys. these are very good questions. keep them coming!  |
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FaDed - Student
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Jacen: humility is listed under characteristics of excellence. |
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FaDed - Student
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AsoAron: JASE is not to rank students above others. it is to recognize individuals that have what it takes to be called "excellent." |
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FaDed - Student
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Exar: if the JAKs were in control, that would eliminate the student to student element of the organization. i do believe that JAK and above should help regulate JASE, to make sure it is running smoothly. but the control should stay in the hands of the students. |
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FaDed - Student
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Halendor: thank you for bring up the rules. for the most part, the rules are just a space filler. i don't like how i did them very much, so i would appreciate as much input as possible on that. i want to revise the whole thing. JASE membership is not an official rank and members can not have official padawans. those are priveledges reserved for JAK and above. |
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FaDed - Student
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Bubu: i see no reason with having a group of nominators to help out with the commitee selection. i'll see what i can do about that one. |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
A thing which should be one of the most important things for the JASE must be humility. If they aren't humble they're nothing more than "1337" players, in the words bad meaning. EDIT: It's a good idea, at least in theory, we can't know how it will work in the end, but be careful, there are MANY traps on the way. This comment was edited by Jacen Aratan on Jun 21 2003 10:07am. |
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FaDed - Student
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The Jedi Academy Society of Excellence is a division of the Jedi Academy devoted to excellence and those who pursue it. JASE is founded on the belief that students should be recognized for their efforts and abilites. Students selected into JASE are well respected, good mannered, and skilled in all areas of the game Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast. Because of these qualites, these students are considered to be the best in the academy and deserving of recognition. JASE also acts as a student government within the JA. Both members and nonmembers of JASE can discuss matters involving student to student matters using the JASE forum. Student opinion guides and directs the progress of JASE. JASE is run by students for students. By allowing students to be seen and heard by those around them, JASE is intended to keep students enrolled in the JA active and happy. |
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Halendor - Ex-Student
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"8. Always more praise than critique" If you praise too much, praise won't be 'worth' anything anymore, just something like a formality. If someone duels like the back end of a pig, you really should say that instead of "wow, you duel really well, we need to polish a few things though"... I hope this makes sense |
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Aron - Retired 
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yeah, it could be a good idea, but we shouldnt slowly increase the rankings in the academy again. Although it might not be an "official" rank, people would find themselfs "more special" sooner. This is already the case without the ranks, for some people. Some clarification might be needed indeed |
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Bubu - Hubbub 
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yeah you definitely need to clarify the motives and purpose of it a little. _______________ make install -not war |
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Lord Exar Kun - Student 
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I think Halendor has a point there. The JASE rank is indeed pretty close to JAK (its kinda just JAK without admin and site rank  ) and could be ran by the JAKs. Also those two point are kinda contradicting eachother. And I thought the JASE was gonna be for students who wouldnt be able to be ingame that much? Developping a spciality and haveing gun and saber skill suggests otherwise.. _______________ -Retired april the 19th 2004 This comment was edited by Lord Exar Kun on Jun 21 2003 09:43am. |
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Halendor - Ex-Student
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Since this is kind of a step-up to Knight (I think), perhaps the Knights themselves should be in charge of the selection process. And I have a few questions about the rules: "6. Make and keep promises" - You *have* to make promises? That sounds weird... "17. Be skilled in all weapons and game modes 18. Develop a specialty" - I think those two rules contradict eachother. Will JASE student be an official rank in the Academy? Can they accept padawans (officially)? This comment was edited by Halendor on Jun 21 2003 09:34am. |
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Bubu - Hubbub 
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well how can we be sure that you and your co-founders will do a good job in the selection process. i mean, just because you created the thing, doesn't necessarily mean you are best qualified to choose people for it. shouldn't there be some kind of vote or something to select a few official "nominators" who most people agree on? i'm not saying you guys won't do a good job, i'm just saying i don't know you well and therefore don't know if i can trust you yet. when i say 'I', i mean 'we', because i'm sure more ppl feel the same way in general i like the idea. i'm just not sure about how it should be run in terms of leadership style and roles. _______________ make install -not war This comment was edited by Bubu on Jun 21 2003 09:28am. |
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FaDed - Student
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once JASE is officially up and running, my co-founders (Darth Mobility and Jedi Prodigy) will select the commitees. one of which is the selection commitee. i am leaving it up to the selection commitee to develop and run the selection process. so to answer your question jacen, you are selected or "nominated" into JASE. |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
Do you get nominated for JASE or do you "just" join? |
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