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solitude - Jedi Council  |
For those who have been hiding in a hole for the last 4 years, the Jedi Knight series is dead. We will keep hosting JK3 servers for the forseeable future, but there is no denying that JK3 has run its course, and there is no JK4 on the horizon.
The Force Unleashed is not the game we have been waiting for. Holding out for JK4 would be foolish optimism at this point. This leaves us with a problem - where do we go from here? I'm throwing this out to the community. This will be in no way binding or indicative of what we will do, but I *do* want to gather feedback from you guys. What do you want to see from us? - a SWGEmu server? - a TOR (The Old Republic) community? Any, and all, *sensible* suggestions will be considered. Post with your ideas and reasoning. Be as thorough as you can. _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge  Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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Setementor - Jedi Master 
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Quote: From my perspective, the CTF public community is still pretty active and I'd be more than willing to go there to play if it were available.
I noticed that the CTF servers are full of people always still. I went to one last week too. |
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Ian Jandos - Student 
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Honestly, the only thing I do anymore is CTF and I noticed that the active teaching is on CTF topics, so why not create a public CTF U.S. server?
From my perspective, the CTF public community is still pretty active and I'd be more than willing to go there to play if it were available. 
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Hugo - Student 
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JK3 is still fine. Of course the random gamers will leave after some time. But if you passive nabs made some time to join in like once a week for a change it will be fine. Just get over the fact that there's no newbloods for you guys to 'teach' anymore and fux around with (to feel good about yourselfs and feed your e-penis). Imo if you needed a large amount of random players to teach and chat around with, to enjoy the game and not get bored.. Then you're not a JK3 worthy player and are not loyal to this game. Just join some rpg clan or w/e then. Go play TOR, yeah create some servers. ...
People in general will come and go. And the mainstream gamers will leave JK3. Fuxed up podhead gamers will leave bored, due to a lack of self-reflection and active thinking / the need to fight against other podheads and declare their own penisses as being GOD-like compared to everyone else, or ragequit and return. So, now actually is the time that you all should start gaming at a decent level. FFS, learn to change and adjust. You all fail at that badly (TJA management VERY much). The only JA members who looked further than the all-play-yellow-no-exploits-virtue-environment in which people had to feel good about themselves, were the oldschool JAA members / JK2 dudes. Then u all messed up. And now ur stuck .. and even calling JK3 dead .. As said before, imo the real game only starts when it 'dies'. Then the real players should emerge. So now ask yourself what to do: change, play now and then with a smaller amount of people, open up and live. Or let it die, because you feel like you need a large amount of peoples to chat around with. Either way you'll have to break through the current idle-ness. But imo introducing another game is just an escape from what you all messed up. This comment was edited by Hugo on Nov 23 2010 12:49am. |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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The gods must have stolen my wits, for I see no other possible explanation as to how I could have ever overlooked you, honest sol. Thus allow me make a quick amend to my previous post: "Problem is, with exception of the Aurochs, I know only of ONE european JA member that plays the game." _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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solitude - Jedi Council 
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All joking aside Masta, SC2 strategy class? Maybe you already have one and I missed it. You guys certainly seem to know a lot about the game (and some people like me don't.) In other news I need to get SC2 ... and a new computer. I already teach a variety of bronze-gold level players at random in the game, mostly by adding some of the guys from the teamliquid.net 'practice partner' thread to my friends list and just checking out who's online and available at the time I log on. No organization required, although I'd love to hold SC2 classes at the JA. Problem is, with exception of the Aurochs, I know of no european JA members that play the game. I do! _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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Masta - Jedi Council
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Quote: All joking aside Masta, SC2 strategy class? Maybe you already have one and I missed it. You guys certainly seem to know a lot about the game (and some people like me don't.) In other news I need to get SC2 ... and a new computer. I already teach a variety of bronze-gold level players at random in the game, mostly by adding some of the guys from the teamliquid.net 'practice partner' thread to my friends list and just checking out who's online and available at the time I log on. No organization required, although I'd love to hold SC2 classes at the JA. Problem is, with exception of the Aurochs, I know of no european JA members that play the game. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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ozzcoz - Cosplay Nerd 
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All joking aside Masta, SC2 strategy class? Maybe you already have one and I missed it. You guys certainly seem to know a lot about the game (and some people like me don't.) In other news I need to get SC2 ... and a new computer. _______________ A wizard did it. |
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R2D2 - Staff 
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One thing we should consider - TOR will be terrible.
A SW game based around PVE and raiding, no crafting, and grinding for gear does not sound good. It looks like a reskinned WoW ... Who told you it has no crafting or raiding for gear? I also don't think we should go all-in on one future game, but definitely give it a shot before shooting it down. I was unclear. There *will* be raiding for gear. This sounds like a disgusting grind. There will be no opportunity to craft say, lightsabers. These will be drops. This also sounds odd. Solitude, I do not know where you are getting your information. Sure, you can gain gear by doing raiding, but there have been other options explicitly stated by developers, such as PvP and obviously PvE for obtaining decent gear. Group content will naturally have better gear since it requires a level of organization and skill beyond that of a solo player. Lightsaber crafting is something that has not been clarified at all. The only thing we know is that the Jedi Consular will get a special cutscene for crafting its first lightsaber. I expect the lightsaber crafting system to be somewhat like KOTOR I/II. If you have any official information elsewhere about lightsaber crafting, please show some links! My links Small bit about the trailer / cutscene shown at one of the conventions Old link, but has some quotes regarding lightsabers PvP info for my previous statements From the links, I did notice a theme that the lightsaber you start of with won't be the one you end the game with. I expect lighsabers will be available via loot and crafting. However, there really hasn't been any clear info about them. Ilum, a revealed TOR planet, is a planet known for its lightsaber crystals, but can't really jump to the conclusion that you can gather lightsaber crystals for crafting. _______________ "Do or do not, there is no try" Jedi Master Yoda Dual Saberist This comment was edited by R2D2 on Nov 22 2010 03:05pm. |
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solitude - Jedi Council
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One thing we should consider - TOR will be terrible.
A SW game based around PVE and raiding, no crafting, and grinding for gear does not sound good. It looks like a reskinned WoW ... Who told you it has no crafting or raiding for gear? I also don't think we should go all-in on one future game, but definitely give it a shot before shooting it down. I was unclear. There *will* be raiding for gear. This sounds like a disgusting grind. There will be no opportunity to craft say, lightsabers. These will be drops. This also sounds odd. _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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Masta - Jedi Council
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Nono Saz, not TF2 but SC2. I play Protoss, by the way. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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SaZ - Student 
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Quote: I still think we should fully embrace Starcraft 2. Everyone knows it's the right thing to do!
But on another note, I like the idea of out-of-game teaching, but with the ~10 honestly active members that the JA has, I'm not quite sure if this is a viable option right now. Maybe once we transition into Starcraft 2, hm... (or TOR, whatever) Masta is a SPY! _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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R2D2 - Staff
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Quote: One thing we should consider - TOR will be terrible.
A SW game based around PVE and raiding, no crafting, and grinding for gear does not sound good. It looks like a reskinned WoW ... Who told you it has no crafting or raiding for gear? I also don't think we should go all-in on one future game, but definitely give it a shot before shooting it down. _______________ "Do or do not, there is no try" Jedi Master Yoda Dual Saberist This comment was edited by R2D2 on Nov 22 2010 08:07am. |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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I still think we should fully embrace Starcraft 2. Everyone knows it's the right thing to do!
But on another note, I like the idea of out-of-game teaching, but with the ~10 honestly active members that the JA has, I'm not quite sure if this is a viable option right now. Maybe once we transition into Starcraft 2, hm... (or TOR, whatever) _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Setementor - Jedi Master
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Yeah, one thing I read is that TOR might be less sandbox-based and more roleplay based. I'm not quite sure how an MMO could be that restrictive really but I guess we'll find out.
Like I've always said, it wouldn't be the first time that everyone has got all excited about a game and then found it's the worst game they've ever played. I agree too, we don't necessarily need to be an academy for just the Jedi Knight games, nor do we only have to be an academy for a single game. But if there's focus on more than one game then you've got to be careful not to compromise on quality too. |
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ozzcoz - Cosplay Nerd
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I've only seen a couple of videos for ToR but from what I could see the playstyle was very different to WoW or any MMO I have played.
But yes it does seem to be based mostly around PvE as well as your personal characters story development. And there is a pretty good chance it might be terrible, so I agree with Sol not to place all our focus on just this one game that isn't even released yet. We should expand our community rather than confine it to a single game in my opinion. I remember a while back Orion and some others gave some programming classes in IRC. I don't know if that would appeal to people at present, but that kind of out-of-game teaching is another idea we could try. _______________ A wizard did it. |
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solitude - Jedi Council 
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One thing we should consider - TOR will be terrible.
A SW game based around PVE and raiding, no crafting, and grinding for gear does not sound good. It looks like a reskinned WoW ... _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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SaZ - Student
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Quote: On the other hand, guilds in MMOs are primarily a means for socialization,
nah. in games clan and guild are synonims (spelling?). for example world of warcraft has guilds, lineage 2 has clans. anyway you arent even discussing TOR here. what i mean by that is you arent even considering possibility that the game might suck. if the only thing game can offer is star wars universe... then its not worth playing. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana This comment was edited by SaZ on Nov 21 2010 04:11pm. |
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Ãà rth Àpòçålýpsè - Student 
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hah wow I was actually recently thinking of expanding my clan into TOR as well. JKA is dead. _______________ New -[DE]- Site. |
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Augusta_Mintaka - Student 
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The massive amount of people that will play TOR will jump activity and possibly make some people interested in JKA. I guess that's a good route to go, but I believe the best route is to praise the old gods by exclusively playing JK1. _______________ "Deos fortioribus adesse." |
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JavaGuy - Student 
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Quote: UNIFY SERVERS! they do it to australia all the time!
I find it really confusing to play on an Australian server because the picture is upside-down. _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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Setementor - Jedi Master 
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Quote: PS: If the servers are split internationally, I will cry. I do not want to move to euro land to game with my friends. UNIFY SERVERS! UNIFY SERVERS! they do it to australia all the time!
If they do we can setup a big petition; with the amount of people waiting for TOR it would likely be significant at minimum.
Quote: One problem I see with guilds would be the two factions in TOR. While TJA is naturally a Republic-oriented group, I'm sure there will be people who would like to play Empire classes.
Not necessarily; at TJA we've had loads of students who claim to be sith or dark jedi. Unless for some strange reason they restrict guilds to one single faction, it could quite easily be cross-faction. We teach how to play the game not necessarily to roleplay (though nothing wrong with teaching roleplay). Quote: Also, how does this faction division affect PvP if the JA wants to be open to all players?
Good point. If there was something like the aurochs we would need to work a way to do it depending on the TOR mechanics. Quote: Would it even be possible or make sense to keep in contact with members in other guilds?
It's not usually a problem in SWG. People group up with groups that run regularly and make friends that way. Then those friends invite you to their groups often, whatever guild you're in. A lot of groups run together regularly and they're all in different guilds. Some guilds make alliances and use a custom chat channel. The custom channels are an effective way and they do work if you can get people into them. You just need to make sure people have the right simple instructions on how to join them. They do work for the people who use them and they do help. One of the main things that's good in SWG is being able to make player cities independant of guilds. In theory all that would have to happen for say classes is a server and location and then everyone shows up there like they do with JKA. Even if there's nothing like player cities in TOR you can still agree a static location for various different JA members from different guilds to show up at. This comment was edited by Setementor on Nov 20 2010 04:31pm. |
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R2D2 - Staff
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Quote: PS: If the servers are split internationally, I will cry. I do not want to move to euro land to game with my friends. UNIFY SERVERS! UNIFY SERVERS! they do it to australia all the time!
True, that would be disappointing. Since Bioware is starting a "Customer Center" in Ireland, I'm hoping that Bioware/EA will be running international servers too. Some MMOs like LOTRO have a separate group running the EU servers, separating US and EU accounts completely. I hope that doesn't happen with TOR. Motrec, you make some good points about a TJA guild. Some people here feel that a guild would go against the no clan policy. I find a guild somewhat different from a clan. Generally, in JKA, clans are competitive teams with different guidelines on what they think is appropriate. TJA has not wanted to be affiliated with a clan, in my opinion, since a clan would not reflect the values that the JA holds dearly. That's why the JAA came about, a place for competitive TJA members to get together and represent the JA and its ideals as a team. On the other hand, guilds in MMOs are primarily a means for socialization, with completing game content together as a nice bonus. In all of the guilds I've been in, helping out members has always been an important aspect which me and almost every member took part in. One problem I see with guilds would be the two factions in TOR. While TJA is naturally a Republic-oriented group, I'm sure there will be people who would like to play Empire classes. Also, how does this faction division affect PvP if the JA wants to be open to all players? Another problem I see with the JA is how it will continue to be an "independent community" that is able to teach players. Would it even be possible or make sense to keep in contact with members in other guilds? I tend to keep my socialization in MMOs limited to guildies unless I find random groups. As long as TOR makes it easy to talk to just about anyone (a custom chat channel), we'd have no problem talking with members, but I don't know how effective this setup would be in a MMO still. I'm leaning towards the JA community still being open to everyone, but also having an official guild for those dedicated to the community. _______________ "Do or do not, there is no try" Jedi Master Yoda Dual Saberist |
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MOTREC - Student 
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PS: If the servers are split internationally, I will cry. I do not want to move to euro land to game with my friends. UNIFY SERVERS! UNIFY SERVERS! they do it to australia all the time! |
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MOTREC - Student 
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a few pennies from my corner...
I like the idea of TOR. A few factors for our leaders to bear in mind and drive home in ALL enrollees... 1. "We are not here for the gear! We are here for you!" as with most MMO's people get caught up in the whole "i have to have the 1337ist character in the universe" This is a guild destroying plague. ENJOY THE DAM GAME! 2. "We are not so much a guild as we are a community" While the words "guild" or "Clan" Have always been tabboo at the ja, i do believe that using the word guild would not have as much exclusivity as the word implies with our current community. If we all embrace the same ideals going into this and leadership makes sure that this be held in the highest regard, I know TJA guild would be very successful. 3. "Membership has its rewards" Yes it does, you get to make ALOT and I do mean ALOT of new friends that often turn out to be brothers and sisters that quite often tolerate and encourage depending on your frame of mind at the time of "rant". Honesty has always been what makes TJA friends I've made the reason they are my friends. <3 u guys. 4. "TJA Wants you!" yes we do, to have a good time, not complain: you dont get to go to this raid or that instance or PVP with whom you deem to be 1337 sauce. While some people are not natural gamers and struggle with the content some games offer, the ultimate goal of TJA is to help YOU become better at the game you like playing with us. 5. "have multiple guilds to support a person's preferencial game style" While this idea carries alot of merit with me, I have to say that we DON'T do this. We would have people guild jumping so much, admins would never get to enjoy their game time. I believe if we all go into the same guild (if you want to ofcourse. individuality is a cornerstone of our community) with a mutual understanding of what it represents, we would do fine and leadership could actually play the game with us! like I said a few pennies from me. Thought it might be thought provoking. Thanks This comment was edited by MOTREC on Nov 20 2010 11:11am. |
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