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it might not be a sad day for SOME people, but for me its a pretty sad day. for those of you who dont know jacen aratan too well, he's not all of what he has been made out to look like. he is a person that believes greatly in what he deems right and has the guts to back it up without worry of consequences. I mean really, no good deed goes unpunished. He was the first face i saw at the ja and he helped me set myself up at the ja without looking down on me one iota. I was the worst ja n00b the ja has ever seen, jacen didnt care, he took me under his wing and taught me all he could and found the right people to talk to when he didnt know something. he was a fantastic friend, mentor, and teacher. not to mention deadly with guns (ctf) he was always there for me, i know he still is there for me but there are alot of people who are gonna miss out on "jacen style" ja. there are some who have trouble accepting people for who they are, i can understand this, its the other things these people do i dont understand. im not gonna point fingers, but to those of you who know who you are, know that you probably will never get the chance to clank beer mugs with MO cuz i dont hang with people who "hide" jacen i dont agree with the premice you left under but i salute the balls it took to make that post and express yourself your way. I speak for me and the ts crew when i say "OMFGH4X JACEN, YOU TOTALLY PWN AND WILL ALWAYS PWN!" for those of you who didnt get to meet jacen and just hang out with him you have my sympathy. jacen aratan, MO will miss you alot brother, know that well. I for one will feel the loss. This post was edited by MOTREC on Oct 07 2005 12:01am. |
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tarpman - The Tarped Avenger 
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Quote: Look at his profile, members post there to kiss his @$$! I have posted on Buzz's profile, but not at all to ingratiate myself; rather to thank him for what he's doing and for putting up with people who don't realise or don't care how hard of a job he has. Good bye, Aratan, ya n00b. See you on MSN, and possibly IRL soon.  _______________ Saving the world, one kilobyte at a time. This comment was edited by tarpman on Oct 08 2005 04:10am. |
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Katan - Student 
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Quote: Please dont try and justify with "Trying to stay in the good graces of the JACs" Because, being honest, I will go apesh!t being insulted like that. I would never say something just to make someone happy, that is not in my character. Sorry if I wasn't clear, I just meant that I've seen lots of people saying "Oh, your just not speaking up because you want to suck up to the JACs" I wasn't meaning to accuse YOU of that, more that I just wanted to be clear that I would be very pissed to be accused of sucking up to anyone. _______________ |
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El Vee, with all the respect in the world mate, it looks to me like you're arguing for the sake of arguing here. Either that, or you're making an arguement based on things that are silly. Buzz's job isn't to be a big teddybear and love you all. His job here is to keep the rule breakers out. In my opinion, when somebody breaks the rules (which they agree not to when they join the JA) they waiver any right to civility. They get treated like a jackass because they've acted like a jackass. I think that's fair. We should be thankful that some guys and gals enough here are so forgiving. Also, the JA is a clan? Yeah, and i'm from the Congo! The military has ranks and a dictatorship-like command structure, but that's not a clan. Chances are, most gaming news websites and mod teams have a dictatorship-like command structure and they're not clans, are they? The JA does not do competitive gaming, therefor is not a clan. Like I said before, you shouldn't act like you know so much about the Academy when you clearly haven't been here long enough to learn about it. Also, if you're not satisfied with the way things work here, nobody's forcing you to stay. Stop trying to change it to suit YOU, when the majority seem fairly happy. I'm done. Have fun, children! |
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Setementor - Jedi Master 
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Quote: I see that your system is slow, deliberately slow, to promote people. IMO: If it continues that way the only people playin will be ranked members. I know you don't want that and I am excited to see who you bump up next. The process isn't as simple as it may seem. Quote: There isn't alot I want to know about how things work around here, and I continue to be patient for training to become available to me, thank you. There are other ways you can get training than classes. If you hang around the servers I'm sure there would be someone more than willing to help you, and if not (which I highly doubt), perhaps you could catch me on sometime and we can do some training together. Quote: This is a clan, while it is a clan neutral site, other clanners are encouraged to join and train, it does have a ranking system and for the majority to get into that system someone in the system has to like you. If you have ever been in a clan this recruiting process should sound familiar to you. You can disagree if you like, you are entitle to your opinion. This isn't a clan. I've stood around clans before to know that it's different. Even if there are a lot of similarities, it's still different. The ranking system may look alike, but my opinion is that it has some differences. Quote: To me being an Official Padawan of a JAK is a noteworthy accomplishment and should be rewarded. Especially since this game is at the end of its life, saw if for sale at CompUSA for $5, thats a hint. If the Academy is to survive past the life of the games it was built around it will have find ways to keep its membership interested and active. Promoting helps, new maps help but flame artists that are in positions of power do not. Someone becoming a padawan is an awesome feeling for both the master and the padawan, I must say. As for the community dying down, well it does that when it does. Some people get interested again and people still find the game and join up even now. I'm not as much of a Star Wars fan as I used to be in all honesty, but I can admit it's the community that keeps me around. Even if you're not interested in the game anymore, it can still be a great community to be in. Quote: This GAMING site is important to those that allow it to be, nothing wrong with that, but in the grand scheme it is what it is. Its supposed to be about fun, and Buzz can make it fun or continue what he does now. Look at his profile, members post there to kiss his @$$! Why? Is he the power around here? Somebody is on the very top of this pyramid and whoever that is needs to get a grip on the enforcer cuz he is no credit to this institution. (in his current form) You'd probably have to talk with Buzz about that personally. We're only human, and there's surely a limit to how much each person can take before they say something like that. Something you guys should understand is that things on the internet are likely to work as seriously as in real life. What makes something "sad" because it's serious on the internet? Internet-life-internet-life? We're human in life and on the internet, the difference is just that we don't often meet eachother on the internet. Anyway, as people have tried to point out, this thread wasn't intended for such a discussion. Gradius made a nice post here if you'd like to discuss it further. |
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Jaiko D'Kana - Student 
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El vee i sympathise with your situation being in a timezone where classes arnt available but i asure you that the ja's internal processes are very efficient being a student of business opperations managment myself. Currently i take responsibility for the reduced ranks going through the system because of the inability to be ingame from uni untill later next week. As for your dislike of some of our staff, unfortunatly this isnt the place to voice your dislike for members of the JA, if you have an issue with staff please email the JAC, or another ranked member with your concern and we will look into it further. Nothing was ever achived through witch hunts Please remember that we all work voluntarily and like yourself have RL's too. We do out best to provide a fun and diverse enviroment to best facilitate everyones needs. As for adding to the game and community im aware of several small projects currently being worked on within the JA with some to be announced shortly. It saddens me to see that you are unhappy with the service we provide and can only appoligise. However with that said i must ask you to give some of the staff some credit for the for they do. Ive worked with the new ranked staff over the last few months and have seen nothing but outstanding work from them, honestly im vry proud of them and couldnt have asked for any better....great work guys. Thanks -JaikoD'Kana- _______________ The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind. William James (1842 - 1910) |
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JACEENNNNNN NOOOOOO!O!O!O!. |
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El Vee For - Student 
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Quote: Please dont try and justify with "Trying to stay in the good graces of the JACs" Because, being honest, I will go apesh!t being insulted like that. I would never say something just to make someone happy, that is not in my character. _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” |
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El Vee For - Student 
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Master Jaiko I see that your system is slow, deliberately slow, to promote people. IMO: If it continues that way the only people playin will be ranked members. I know you don't want that and I am excited to see who you bump up next. There isn't alot I want to know about how things work around here, and I continue to be patient for training to become available to me, thank you. I guess if I really wanted to know one thing it would be why Buzz can be rude, immature, and flaming when I can't? Katan This GAMING site is important to those that allow it to be, nothing wrong with that, but in the grand scheme it is what it is. Its supposed to be about fun, and Buzz can make it fun or continue what he does now. Look at his profile, members post there to kiss his @$$! Why? Is he the power around here? Somebody is on the very top of this pyramid and whoever that is needs to get a grip on the enforcer cuz he is no credit to this institution. (in his current form) Whether or not the JAC's like me makes no difference all I ask from them is a fair shake. A chance at some training, cuz I love this game, I map for it, I have modeled at least a dozen hilts and characters and I must say they all rock. I wouldn't share them so don't ask, so far all I get outta this site is somewhere to post my lame star wars stuff/opinions, and the occasional posting marathon. Maybe when I have access to training I can share my other talents as well. Don't take this as anything but a statement of fact, I do not offer anything at this time. This is a clan, while it is a clan neutral site, other clanners are encouraged to join and train, it does have a ranking system and for the majority to get into that system someone in the system has to like you. If you have ever been in a clan this recruiting process should sound familiar to you. You can disagree if you like, you are entitle to your opinion. To me being an Official Padawan of a JAK is a noteworthy accomplishment and should be rewarded. Especially since this game is at the end of its life, saw if for sale at CompUSA for $5, thats a hint. If the Academy is to survive past the life of the games it was built around it will have find ways to keep its membership interested and active. Promoting helps, new maps help but flame artists that are in positions of power do not. Look I really would love to chat you up in MSN, but I can't deal with that kind of thing at work and when I am home I will consider it. What I don't want to do at this point is create hard feelings with anyone but Buzz. If that gets me kicked then sayonara, adios, au dieu, and g'bye. I don't think it will though cuz I haven't broken any of the rules that he hasn't and if he wants me to live to his expectations then he needs to as well. In fact that goes for everyone of us, the students. _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” |
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Jaiko D'Kana - Student
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Ahh this is getting a little to heated guys although all your oppinions are all valid id like to request that we take it down a couple notches. Mr El vee i see there are several things you feel should be improved and although all suggestions are welcome i must say it appears you have a couple gaps in understanding as to how the current academy runs perhaps through no fault of your own. Please add me to msn and id be more than happy to discuss any suggestions you have as well as fill in any gaps. Lets stop pointing fingers guys and start working together here. As for more knights and trainers this has popped up a couple times in casual conversation and id just like to assure you that we will be seeing plenty of new ranked members soon....we asked you to be patient and i promise you wont be dissapointed. Just asking you to trust us on that one Take care guys keep smiling -JaikoD'Kana- _______________ The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind. William James (1842 - 1910) |
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Katan - Student
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Jacen, your mah bro. I remember joining up, and being bros with you from JAS straight up to JAT (and back down to JAS too). And I have to say, it was one hell of a ride  . Your my hero.So yeah, talk to you on MSN in a few minutes or something..  Quote: Oh and the stupid "You got banned, Mister" monopoly card is funny, but very immature for an organization such as this, a community that heralds itself as being such an influence, having such a reputation, and such a contributor. Please this is a gaming site , with some international culture, flip of a switch and its gone. Lets not over exaggerate the value. The part I bolded, is that a shot I missed? Sorry, I dont mean to sound sarcastic (Can you sound sarcastic online?) but to me its like "We take this REALLY seriously." and then "Btw, its a Gaming Community" Quote: ..would be to do something that would make us, the community, feel like we have a say in this academy, instead of instilling fear that if you don't do what and when you are told then you are nothing. Maybe you feel that way, but personally (and looking at what others said in this thread) many others dont feel "afraid". I fail to see how they try to "instill fear" in ANYONE. Please dont try and justify with "Trying to stay in the good graces of the JACs" Because, being honest, I will go apesh!t being insulted like that.. Quote: 3 years is a long time for a clan, and yes this is a clan, to stay together and if it wants to go another 3 years it is going to have to adapt to the new climate, Jaiko recognizes this, I am sure Virtue does as well or he wouldn't be making a new map. While this community, the academy, does have a stellar reputation it needs to be able to adapt to the needs of the community or just become a clan outright and quit this "we are not a clan, we are a hang out" business. JA is a clan, complete with structure and ranks, a very difficult clan to get into yes, and because of that the "99%" of us are left out, we don't get to be anything but fodder to this organization, a statistic for the boasting. Please come find me on MSN or talk to me on my profile, so we can discuss how this community is a "clan". Again, I just fail to see how it can be considered a clan. Quote: When a Knight chooses a padawan he effectively selects someone that he feels can be a knight someday. Padawans deserve a rank, they also should be officially helping the Knights fulfill their duties. If it is a pre-requisite for Trainers to actually do training, then all members of the structure should do training. Again, I would love to discuss this with you sometime _______________ This comment was edited by Katan on Oct 07 2005 11:17pm. |
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El Vee For - Student
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Quote: El Vee For, I'm wondering... See this is a classic example of an *****. I won't flame you cuz I don't want to get kicked.If you don't like the way this place is run... Why do you bother coming here? I have not complained that our leadership is poor. I have stated that Buzz is above the law. I have also stated that this organization must be able to adapt to the changes that come its way, which it has but recently has not. I imagine the reason why no one at the top is doing anything is that the game is dead, the movies are over. So there won't be new people involved, only the old crew. I come back every day to check to see if there are any classes available to me so that I can get some real training in the saber and whoop your @$$. Get yer answer, playa! Quote: I heard that whining about the JA is edgy and cool! n_n LOL, I want training, thats all nothing else. I have been patient and continue to be so on this matter. I am not playing the Devils Advocate and arguing for the sake of arguing.I have personally felt the sting of the enforcers remarks, and I totally understand that his job is not a rosy feel good kind of job but that shouldn't make it okay for him to be above the law of this academy. I like humor, and JJ's humor is no exception, but I won't be quiet when I see something is wrong. Inaction is worse than being than the problem. We are all supposed to be Jedi around here time to start standing up to that which is wrong, like a Jedi. _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” This comment was edited by El Vee For on Oct 07 2005 11:04pm. |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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Quote: El Vee For, I'm wondering... If you don't like the way this place is run... Why do you bother coming here? Maybe because he likes this place and wants to help improving it by pointing out the bad things? Didnt know that constructive criticism wasnt welcome anymore. Also, i would like to underline following statement by quoting it. Quote: Initially I was speaking only of buzz, the rules say we don't flame or assassinate someone character, yet he call people "idiots" and what not. That isn't leading by example. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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PlooKoon - Student 
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Lech /talks on msn /claps lmao JJ. I'm too inactive to even say a valid point :p /struts _______________ Moo |
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Quote: El Vee For, I'm wondering... If you don't like the way this place is run... Why do you bother coming here? I heard that whining about the JA is edgy and cool! n_n |
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Henkes - Student 
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El Vee For, I'm wondering... If you don't like the way this place is run... Why do you bother coming here? _______________ Get on your feet and do the Funky Alfonzo! |
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Scythus Aratan - Student 
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INCOMING MESSAGE FROM KING JACEN: Quote: OK, well, I'm writing this to clear up some stuff. This is gonna be my last post (indirect as it may be), as I don't wanna look like i r e-loozah LoL. 1) No worries to all of the people who I've known over the years (particularly Mo-mo, for making this thread).. <3.. for those of ya who don't know me, feel free to say bye, but don't do it if you think it's just the polite thing to do.. I really won't care too much. 2) It was harsh indeed, but I've never claimed to be a nice guy. I'm cynical. And yes, I very well knew I was gonna get banned, and I wouldn't have it any other way. Think of all the attention I've gotten so far! It warms me like a microwave warms cold pizza. As I told DJ, I'm an attention whore, and I couldn't leave with anything but the best publicity. Bad publicity is better than no publicity! 3) I stepped down from JAT, to JAK (and later on, to JAS) out of my own free will; I couldn't be bothered with it anymore. 4) WW, it's "linguistic", not "languistic". You still have much to learn, young padawan. 5) Always read between the lines, folks. Not everything is meant literally; on the other hand, I despise allegories, so beware of those as well! Politics is the best game ever, don't you agree? And nah, I'm not trying to get an argument started, this isn't nursery (or perhaps it is... damn doors are impossible to tell apart). Just think about what I said, mkay? Stay sharp... or blunt, or triangular, whichever shape you wish! - Jace (goddamn I love this attention) _______________ Padawan to the great Jacen Aratan! <Setementor> Scythus is a genius! Claimer of the 5000th post in the Count thread [Solitude] scy rocks [Casual] good point scythus, you're really smart This comment was edited by Scythus Aratan on Oct 07 2005 09:40pm. |
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Quote: And 10 JA c00kies to JJ for being man enough to wear a skirt in public! kakaka _______________ Brother to Luke Skywalker and (SKX) Dark Blade 
Lag Brother to Acey Spadey 
Jools is my best friend.
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Zadus - Student 
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Take care jacen. i met u a few times and u were a really nice guy. so if u see this we will all miss u man _______________ Owner of Raydoes 315 and BDKawkia's 500 comments! |
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Devlin - Student 
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I don't post on the forums that much, never really have been into posting and all that. But I wanted to say Goodbye to Jacen. I didn't get a chance to know you, but I always read your posts and respected everything you said. Take care Jacen. _______________ Be at peace, and you will discover things you never dreamed possible. |
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El Vee For - Student
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I don't care who tha JAC's ban I don't like it when the leaders don't follow the rules they write/uphold Initially I was speaking only of buzz, the rules say we don't flame or assassinate someone character, yet he call people "idiots" and what not. That isn't leading by example. I don't care if we quote a song lyrics, but if I can't say @$$hole then I don't want to read Eminems lyrics based on the premise that it is art. its a double standard dude, and if you are cool with living under the oppression of a double standard then go right ahead, I don't so I use my right to speak and speak out. Jacen had it coming, he went off on a totally inappropriate post and he got banned. The only thing that was done well was that his post was not editted so that we, the community, can see what not to do, this is not standard practice by the way typically "illegal" posts are editted by the thread closer so we don't get to see what not to do unless we hover in the forums and read it before a JAC. Oh and the stupid "You got banned, Mister" monopoly card is funny, but very immature for an organization such as this, a community that heralds itself as being such an influence, having such a reputation, and such a contributor. Please this is a gaming site, with some international culture, flip of a switch and its gone. Lets not over exaggerate the value. as a member of this community, regardless of my time with this site I have been a fan of Star Wars longer than most of you have been drawing breath, I want to see this academy continue to do what it does. Teach people the game. to do that effectively the JAC's need to recruit alot more trainers, maybe trainers don't need to be knights first. the next thing would be to do something that would make us, the community, feel like we have a say in this academy, instead of instilling fear that if you don't do what and when you are told then you are nothing. 3 years is a long time for a clan, and yes this is a clan, to stay together and if it wants to go another 3 years it is going to have to adapt to the new climate, Jaiko recognizes this, I am sure Virtue does as well or he wouldn't be making a new map. While this community, the academy, does have a stellar reputation it needs to be able to adapt to the needs of the community or just become a clan outright and quit this "we are not a clan, we are a hang out" business. JA is a clan, complete with structure and ranks, a very difficult clan to get into yes, and because of that the "99%" of us are left out, we don't get to be anything but fodder to this organization, a statistic for the boasting. I said bye to Jacen, that is what this thread is for, but no one can or should attempt to control any conversation about how this clan does business. Doing so restricts the membership and this place is nothing without its students so we deserve a little say in it. I am not suggesting that democracy would work here cuz it wouldn't. Teh people who pay the bills and set up the servers deserve rank. The players that whoop it up every night deserve it too. When a Knight chooses a padawan he effectively selects someone that he feels can be a knight someday. Padawans deserve a rank, they also should be officially helping the Knights fulfill their duties. If it is a pre-requisite for Trainers to actually do training, then all members of the structure should do training. I could go on and on but I will leave with this thought. You know how when you get stumped, you can't find your glasses, you can't figure out why your car won't start, etc. You go find someone to help you, its called a fresh pair of eyes. This clan needs a fresh pair of eyes to assist the JAC's in effectively re-organizing for the future while preserving its history. _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” This comment was edited by El Vee For on Oct 07 2005 08:07pm. |
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Oh dear, a touchy thread and wolfwood starts making a post.... you guys sit down and get something to drink because this is going to take a while. First off, I'd just like to say that Jacen is my friend, and no matter what he does it will always stay that way. Jacen taught me a lot of stuff, and that's defenately not saberwise (we all know how he feels about that these days). When it comes to CTF, Jacen took the time to teach me the basics of it and pretty much made me into the CTF player I am today. I also picked up a lot of languistic stuff from him. I mean the guy manages to make english lines with words I have never seen before. I can go on for quite some time about this but, the bottom line is, Jacen is a good guy and I still think he is no matter what he has done or posted or whatever. It is how he feels about it so I respect that. Ofcourse his way may not have been the smartest way to adress the subject, but still, it was his choise, so I respect that. Jacen, if you get a chance to read this, you rule, period. I'll see you on the Jolt server for sure. Which brings me to the next thing I notice when I read this. And I gotta say this, I am like 0_0, wtf? Because I see people flaming motrec, giving unasked comments, and even people questioning the way the JA is made. There are quite a few newer people here who do not know Jacen the way the 'older' (god I hate that word) people do. I have been here for quite some time and I had a lot of chats with Jacen about numerous stuff. I fail to see the reason why you decide to flame Motrec for his post, if you do not even know Jacen the way he does. Think about that please... Then to the next point. Why are the ranked members under fire? They are doing their job the way they are supposed to. I have been a Knight and a Trainer so I think I can say I know what I am talking about when it comes to that subject. It has been said already but I think several of you fail to see that they give up a lot of free time (trust me, its a lot, I speak out of experience) to keep this place going. Yet all they get in return is unhappy people commenting on the actions they take (This is just a generalization, I mean, there are a lot of people who DO appreciate it, so don't bother to post that you feel offended by this because you are not one of them ). You do not know half of what goes on 'behind the scenes'. Again I ask, why give comments on stuff you don't know the full story about? I give a big thumbs up to the Ranked members for spending their free time into improving the JA as much as they can. Buzz has been given the nasty job of being the Enforcer, with Aron along his side. Meaning he has to deal with all the trouble and solve it in the easiest, and best way for the Academy. Think about it this way, if Aron and Buzz were not here, how do you think the JA would be? (Don't say stuff such as, someone else will do it, because that is not my question). I mean sure Buzz takes fire when he does stuff, but if that was me doing the enforcing, I'd be the one taking the heat every time. Give the guy a break please... The democracy thing simply would not work. This is a Jedi Academy. Look at the movies. The council has the final word. Even if we would not hold true to the movies, it would still be impossible. So many timezones, so many people with different lives. The important decisions need to be made fast. They should not take a week do be decided because not everyone is able to be online. I agree fully with DJ_Sith on this. Bottomline of this post is basically: Think before you post. This is an online community, therefore it is impossible to notice bodylanguage or the emotion of which a line is spoken. Which results into the fact that the only way you can communicate is through text. Remember, in text, stuff can be easily mis-interpretated. But I do think that several people really need to reconsider the things they have said in this thread. Motrec, thumbs up for making this thread. You're the man. Anyway, those were my 2 cents, I hope you enjoyed them. Cheers, ~ Wolfwood _______________ ~ Honor is a fool's prize. Glory is of no use to the dead ~ This comment was edited by Wolfwood on Oct 07 2005 06:02pm. |
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Henkes - Student 
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I'm gonna miss you Jacen! We had lots of fun on IRC together talking about beer, women... you know.. the normal conversations... Take good care of yourself allright? Quote: And btw whoever turned this into an argument down below please stfu because this isn the place for it. This is a goodbye for Jacen not your little squabble fest. Either say goodbye or dont post simple as that. Start another post with the arguing and get it locked not this one I couldn't agree more Talle! The JA is the way it is. If you don't like it... don't bother coming here then... And why do smarta$$es always have to mess up good forum threads?! _______________ Get on your feet and do the Funky Alfonzo! This comment was edited by Henkes on Oct 07 2005 06:07pm. |
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Tallepyon - Student 
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Jacen no matter what you do, you will still be a friend of mine. If you can see this, keep in touch man. And btw whoever turned this into an argument down below please stfu because this isn the place for it. This is a goodbye for Jacen not your little squabble fest. Either say goodbye or dont post simple as that. Start another post with the arguing and get it locked not this one. This comment was edited by Tallepyon on Oct 07 2005 05:08pm. |
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Gradius - Ex-Student 
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Correct Thom! 10 JA c00kies for you! And 10 JA c00kies to JJ for being man enough to wear a skirt in public! _______________ - Proud padawan of Kueller. - We really are at the beginning of it all. The trick, of course, is to make sure we never find the end. - Bill Bryson, A Short History of Nearly Everything - <gen-e-sis-happy> Liek, you can train, liek, a n00b, but he'll just be a trained n00b... --> Wise words! - "daer SOE me likes your a company i am having your some money for letting me do stuff cos mes the best amd i do it all meself" - Slider This comment was edited by Gradius on Oct 07 2005 04:56pm. |
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Thomasooo - Student 
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OOOH, Grad! I know the answer! I am a wampa, like my mother in law before me! Where are my cookies?! _______________ In the navy and LOVING it!
Recipient of comment no. 1000 and heart-warming words from Ataris!
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