| The Purpose of Life | |
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Cash Warren - ex-Student |
Hi, this is my first post, I'm a newbie here at the Jedi Academy. For years I've read and wondered about life and the purposes behind it. I'm a firm believer of evolutionary premises as I believe that to be fact and religion to be faith. So if you're a super religious person that wishes to start a fight, don't bother coming here. I wanted to know what everyone thinks is the purpose of life. As some of you might have read, the universe was supposedly created by a "Big bang". Although you might think of it as just a big sort of "boom", it's not quite that. So basically speaking, I was just wondering what you all thought the purpose of life was. Please make this intelligent thought as well. Although I like debating, don't start this into a dumbass festival. _______________ ummm no. This post was edited by Cash Warren on Jun 21 2005 11:34pm. |
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Ulic |retired| - Student 
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Thomasooo - Student 
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Esta - Student 
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Eckes... The fourth dimension is commonly thought of as time, something which we can only experience and be affected by, but not actually see, because of it's nature. As for the meaning (or 'purpose') of life? This depends on whether or not you're prepared to believe in some higher power or not. If not.. there is no meaning of life. Life is simply a rediculously rare collection of photons and substances that happened to be in the right place at the right time in respect to each other. If you believe in some higher power, by being agnostic, or partially or fully religious... Well, personally, I believe that perhaps life answers itself, life's purpose being to discover meaning, and that meaning is to live. Thus, the meaning is life is rhetorrical, and cannot be answered IMO. _______________ -Kauyon Draconis [Official master of Ataris] This comment was edited by Esta on Jul 07 2005 12:01am. |
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Ecks - Student 
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The purpose of life is to ensure the universe continues itself. It's not so much life as it is the universal need to survive. We are manifestations of the 4th dimension, that is, to exist. That's my 2 cents anyway. _______________ "To become a greater man, you must be a lesser one first." |
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Lirael - Jedi Council 
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 do my eyes decieve me? or is someone truely recommending a book written by Richard Dawkins? _______________ I can write my name with my sparkler. My sparkler > your lightsabre |
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Ranius - Student |
purpose of life...depends on about(?) who you ask... one might think it ilogical, but as far as i can see the threads of human influence on sorrounding world...Our purpose is to create, then destroy and be destroyed with the same force that gave us life. And we serve our purpose well...  if u don't understand, don't bother streaching your brain.  _______________ as long as there is light, there is darkness. if i won't win fighting i will win dying... |
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Nuebus - Student 
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the purpose of life is 2 reproduce ... without chopping down trees. _______________ Sanity is for the weak -Let the madness consume you... I'ma moron, i'm the master of morons, i even got a club of morons... so how do u beat me at bein a moron?... and no, not by being u. Ex-Padawan of Chaos~ |
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Kilphi Tonfor - Student 
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The evolutionist would believe that the purpose of all life is to reproduce, to ensure that part of their DNA survives in the next generation. But is it possible that living organisms, humans included are merely a mechanism of gene survival?  I don't know, and maybe we'll never know. A good book which touches on this topic is The Selfish Gene by Richard Dawkins, a good read regardless of what you believe! _______________ My Father: "How come Bobo Fett wasn't in that one?" Me: "Why do I even bother?" |
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Selph Senatu - Student 
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Quote: Life is what you make it. |
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Mic Den Octela - Student 
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The purpose/meaning of life. IMO I don't analyze that question or try to imagine that there is an answer. Life is what you make it. Whatever you believe about how life was created, it matters not. All that matters is that life is not to be wasted on asking yourself an unanswerable question. "What is the meaning of life?" Who cares? If you want to debate on how life began be my guest, while your doing that i'll spend my time looking forward, anticipating the outcome and experiences of my life. If there was no other way but answering the question then I would merely say that the meaning of life is what YOU make it. _______________ -Padawan of Virtue -Brother of Menaxia, *|irael, Krynn Adept, Majno, Ris Win Juljul, DaMi3N, Beowulf, Dash Starlight, Carrock and Yuken Zalak Bartender at Munes bar. Sir Mic of Nippledom! Proudly beating Wang, since '07. (Crackdown) This comment was edited by Mic Den Octela on Jun 27 2005 12:02am. |
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Koyi Donita - Student 
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Quote: To be honest, I see where you are coming from Koyi, but if you want to just sate what you think and not prepared to answer any honest questions people have, you are better writing a Blog or something and acting like martyr who isn’t understood does nothing but make people more interested. I know I'd like to ask you questions and understand your faith more, but your attitude has put me off. I see where you are coming from with this and don't get me wrong or take it the wrong way that I'm not set up to answer questions or discuss theories. I was just trying to follow Equations subject matter on just stating your ideas/beliefs/etc. without it turning into a war. I've been in alot of these heated discussions and I didn't want another one to start up again. I can't stand being singled out, placed under the microscope, and prodded just to see how I'll react. My attitude is kinda sour right now and for good reasons I believe. If people were really interested in my beliefs or the reasons behind my beliefs, they would have asked me on my profile, e-mail, etc. and respected the wishes of Equation to keep this a simple thread where people can share their ideas and beliefs without questioning, disrespecting, and starting wars. When people have different views, disagreements sprout up and usually arguments and wars. I've seen alot of these and am no way in the mood for another. If you would like more information behind my beliefs, I would gladly talk to you about it sometime. Just not here on this thread where it will soon become a dog pile with me on the bottom and admins. all pissed off they had to deal with more drama.Quote: because somethings its intresting to understand the why behind things? Are you really serious? Okay, let me quote myself. Quote: I've heard that the sun is constantly shrinking and given the estimated constant rate that it is, if the world had been in existance for billions of years it would have been inside the sun at some point and wouldn't have been in existance at all. Also, with running water we all know the way water errodes banks, beaches, mountains, valleys, canyons, etc.. Well, certain levels of certain minerals can be found within' the ocean waters of the world and with studies and measurements taken, if the world was billions of years old then some minerals would have reached the super saturated condition within our water by now. In fact, minerals within the waters are pretty low which would suggest that the world has only existed for several thousands of years. These are two of the reason why I believe what I believe and it seems as if I didn't even post them. All I'm getting is questions when these scientific things can be search out if one was truely interested in understanding why I believe what I believe. It's different though because the ones questioning me never even bothered to make mention, comment, etc. on this material which shows me that they really aren't interested in the why behind things. They are more interested in starting more drama on a thread that doesn't want the drama. If you really want to discuss this sometime, let me know on my profile and I'd be happy to share my opinions in greater detail where I will be open for prodding. I'm just asking that Equation gets just a little respect and to keep this thread inside the boundries of the subject matter. I also would like not to get dragged into any more flames. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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Serra Keto - Student 
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Details and no offense taken {edit] And I never said they prove; I said they are arugments... you make you own mind up; like with everything _______________ You were everything I wanted, but we lost it. I'm Not going away. http://jediknight2.filefront.com/file/Deuces_Wild_Pack_2;45812 This comment was edited by Serra Keto on Jun 26 2005 09:30pm. |
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solitude - Jedi Council 
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that last quote was pascal i think, and it was his way of convincing an idiot to believe in god (in a non-offensive way). mainly because god, if there is one, would likely value intent as well as actions. and those argumments listed are from aquinas. however, they are to prove the god of philosophers, not of men. it also doesnt claim to prove god. it claims to prove theexistance of a being which some men may call god _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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Serra Keto - Student
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To be honest, I see where you are coming from Koyi, but if you want to just sate what you think and not prepared to answer any honest questions people have, you are better writing a Blog or something and acting like martyr who isn’t understood does nothing but make people more interested. I know I'd like to ask you questions and understand your faith more, but your attitude has put me off. Edit: Having said this, I do think that the idea of trying to understand why we exist, through any medium be that science, poetry, faith, music Happens to everyone know and then when you have time to think (*sigh* that would be nice in our overly busy lives wouldn't it?) Why do you need to ask a question? We all know no human can be fully “Evil” yes people can do dreadful things but they tend to do it because of warped realities where what they do to them is right. To me this suggest that something designed us be that Evolution or the Biblical God or both? (after all if God created everything he must of come up with Evolution. I’ve studied the 3 arguments for the existence of God [Therefore he has a plan for us and that is the meaning of life] Teleological http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/teleological-arguments/ Cosmological http://www.philosophyofreligion.info/cosmological.html Ontological http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/ontological-arguments And also the moral argument http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/moral-arguments-god/ Now I could go into detail but that would make this post huge so check out the sites. Why waste time wondering why? The world is a beautiful place, what is the point of asking why? When you can just simply enjoy everything you have. Death will hold all or none of the answers. Quote: What is the point in not believing in God, you have two choices: 1. He doesn’t exist so therefore you’re fully dead so it doesn’t matter. 2. He does exist and he’ll be mightily pissed off with you! _______________ You were everything I wanted, but we lost it. I'm Not going away. http://jediknight2.filefront.com/file/Deuces_Wild_Pack_2;45812 This comment was edited by Serra Keto on Jun 26 2005 09:28pm. |
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solitude - Jedi Council
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Quote: Why question what another believes in? Why not just post your ideas, thoughts, beliefs, and feelings without being questioned or asked to back up why you believe thus and so or questioning others? because somethings its intresting to understand the why behind things? _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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Koyi Donita - Student 
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Why question what another believes in? Why not just post your ideas, thoughts, beliefs, and feelings without being questioned or asked to back up why you believe thus and so or questioning others? I'm not going to get into details about this and that. My opinion is nothing. Forget I posted anything please if you don't agree with it. I'm not in the mood for a "festival". _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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solitude - Jedi Council
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Quote: Now I read the subject matter of this thread and I got the expressed idea that we were just going to share our own opinions without having to make a dumbass debate out of it. Well, unfortunately when you question others opinions and ideas that is exactly what you get. Funny thing is, the ideas of evolution and carbon dating can be seen as flawed or false when it comes to solid evidence and truth but we're not finding any quotes singling those out now are we? Why not question those and ask for evidence of those ideas and guesses being real? I also posted right under what you quoted some of the things that I've heard so people (if they were interested in searching for evidence behind my opinion) could look into them without me saying, "Look at this. It says your wrong!" and thus creating/starting a dumbass festival. Now again, my opinion is nothing more then my opinion. Treat it as nothing if you like, that wouldn't bother me one bit. I'm only asking that you don't disrespect me or drag me and my opinions and view through the mud. Is it really too much to ask for a little respect? actually, there are holes in the theory of evolution. that is why it is onyl called a theory. science does not claim to have all the answers. it just claims certain possibilities and gives evidence as to why they may or may not be true. at what point were you being disrespected exactly? im only asking that if you decide to claim that 'evolution and carbon dating is wrong' to provide some evidence. science provides evidence why it may be right, why shouldnt the reverse be true? Quote: but I do feel a little singled out and that can be viewed as an attack. why would you feel singeld out? if the majority of people have decided to believe in science and the evidence it has provided, its their choice. as it is your choice to believe in your religion. however, if those why believe otherwise to you ask for some explination, is it really an attack or you being singled out? if peopel haev their own beliefs, why would they question others of the same view? isnt it more logical to question others who disagree? and carbon-14 has never been said to be an exact method, onyl a tool to provide an rough idea to the time where it occurs ( to within several thousand years) in addition, other methods of dating soch as observing radioactive decay from teh half life from isotopes are used, these are accurate. albeit applicable in certain circumstances. carbon-14 dating is only a scientific tool, one of many. it does howeverr hve a basis in the real world as to why it has use and can work. givin human falliability and other sources of innacuracy, it may be an idea to look at your own position and admit there may be cause for doubt. science has NEVER claimed to have all teh answers, or even most of them. it merely gives YOU the tools to look into things and make your own reasoned judgement on what is around you. _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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Koyi Donita - Student
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Before I get into this, I would like to say sorry. Responding to these types of posts usually don't (if ever) turn into something profitable but I'll take the bait and bite. I was merely stating my feelings, ideas, and beliefs without trying to start a debate, flame, rant and that is why I didn't post any information "backing up my beliefs" simply because they are my beliefs and it wasn't my intention to change peoples ideas/opinions. I was just giving a little meat behind the bones that is the structure of my opinion and that can't be accepted at face value for what it is? Why not question everyone here who's opinions differ from what you believe? Anyhow, let me respond. Quote: Alright. I'm not going to emphasize anything you said in there, just quoting it should be enough. Excuse me for posting and coming outrightly and honestly about my sources I believe in. It is mostly supplied by faith and I can understand why alot of people can be down right affraid of that type of thinking and attack it. What was quoted was in the form of two seperate statements. 1-I don't believe in evolution because our science has no proof that it even exists. 2-I have heard/read information showing other proofs that the educated guesses of the earth and the universe being millions/billions of years old is flawed. I actually gave a little information about the theories behind the size of the sun and the ocean waters mineral contents to sum up some of the things that have been brought to my attention but I didn't study these things or was the one that ran or witnessed the tests so who am I to say that these scientific things are any more accurate then the idea of evolution or carbon dating? They can be just as flawed so I claim ignorance to save myself from yet another wonderful debate/flame where I would have no footing or grounds to state it as truth. Quote: There are a miriad different things I could say in response, but I will just ask you how you would explain the countless of artifacts in existence on this world (fossils and what not), which by carbon dating (and other equally valid methods), have been proven to be millions of years old. Carbon dating to the best of my knowledge is a flawed ruler/instrument used by science to further back the ideas and guesses that have been made. When I read you response about carbon dating I told myself, "Maybe this carbon dating thing is something I should look into." I've heard of it in school, but never researched it or knew how it works. Let me share what I've found about this wonderful tool. How Carbon-14 dating works. How accurate are Carbon-14. I would post other more christian ideas into why these test are highly inaccurate which bring about some great questions into the variables of the test, but they are mere guesses too and I don't value or honor those guesses over those of science. Quote: Now don't take this as an attack on your faith. As you said, "food for thought". Just food for thought? I'm I the only one posting here who looks as if I need to feed my brain? Did everyone else totally agree with what your ideas were on the meaning of life? I'm sorry, but I do feel a little singled out and that can be viewed as an attack. The first quote I feel is highlighting my ignorance and kinda pushing my face in it which isn't a very nice or respectable thing to do. I could be wrong. Who knows what this "miriad different things you could have said in response" would/could be. I'm sure if there were no admin around and no limits on what your responses can be, I'm sure it would have been colorful to say the least. Hey, sorry for having an opinion and trying to share it with others. Sorry for stepping on your toes with my beliefs. I should just do as the doctor has ordered and drink a tall glass of S.T.F.U. juice so nobody would have any issues with me and what I post. Quote: Please make this intelligent thought as well. Although I like debating, don't start this into a dumbass festival. Quote: if you're planning on making statements like that, back them up. stating that "there is no proof" or "i have heard" means nothing. give us some evidence for these statements please. Now I read the subject matter of this thread and I got the expressed idea that we were just going to share our own opinions without having to make a dumbass debate out of it. Well, unfortunately when you question others opinions and ideas that is exactly what you get. Funny thing is, the ideas of evolution and carbon dating can be seen as flawed or false when it comes to solid evidence and truth but we're not finding any quotes singling those out now are we? Why not question those and ask for evidence of those ideas and guesses being real? I also posted right under what you quoted some of the things that I've heard so people (if they were interested in searching for evidence behind my opinion) could look into them without me saying, "Look at this. It says your wrong!" and thus creating/starting a dumbass festival. Now again, my opinion is nothing more then my opinion. Treat it as nothing if you like, that wouldn't bother me one bit. I'm only asking that you don't disrespect me or drag me and my opinions and view through the mud. Is it really too much to ask for a little respect? _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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Vasper Ba'xian - Student 
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Quote: Studied theology and philosophy, and came to this conclusion: screw it, just get on with what you do, treat people how you want to be treated and dont waste time looking for meaning and answers that dont exist. That pretty much sums it up. Another thing. more advise i'd say. 1.Don't try to sugar coat things. Not accepting something for the way it is will only weaken you. Deal with what you see and not with what your mind wants to see. 2.DRUGS/MEDICINE Only take these things when you are sick. Any other time, they poison your body. People take anti-depressents, uppers and downers and valumes....ect, to get away from the problem, to leave reality. How bout this solution.....DEAL WITH IT. If people would learn to deal with their problems they wouldn't need all those drugs. 3.Don't ever let anyone get leverage over you. Back you into a corner. Take advantage of you. This goes for bosses, managers, family, friends, strangers....ect. anyone who knows me in RL knows that if it looks like they have me under their thumb.......LOL it only LOOKS that way. These are my tips to life. And of course, Just my OPINION. _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON .My Spacescapes art page.My Everything Else art page. MY FAV. Jedi Are: Qui-Gon Jinn, Corran Horn, and Anakin Solo. Unofficial Master to Tamal. and Kavar. Founder of the Wuji Hundun Jian saber style. Proud owner of Tamal's 200th comment!//Proud owner of Refl3x's 300th comment!>>>Proud owner of Tyrant's 800th comment>>>Proud owner of Lucky's 170th comment>>>Proud owner of BDKawika's 444th comment>>>To except Existance is to except Reality.
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AvaloN - Student 
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Quote: Studied theology and philosophy, and came to this conclusion: screw it, just get on with what you do, treat people how you want to be treated and dont waste time looking for meaning and answers that dont exist. Amen to that. |
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Gil-Galad - Student 
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Studied theology and philosophy, and came to this conclusion: screw it, just get on with what you do, treat people how you want to be treated and dont waste time looking for meaning and answers that dont exist. _______________ |JAA| since 02/05/06 Green for life |
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Serra Keto - Student
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Egg Its what i've decided after doing Theo for a year. EGG! _______________ You were everything I wanted, but we lost it. I'm Not going away. http://jediknight2.filefront.com/file/Deuces_Wild_Pack_2;45812 This comment was edited by Serra Keto on Jun 23 2005 06:41pm. |
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solitude - Jedi Council
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Quote: _, I was referring to the comment made by Krazzed, I want this to be intelligent thought, if you have something completely unrelated to the subject to say, then I suggest you go find the right subject to your topic. and i was off topic how? _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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Kenyon - Lord of the Dance 
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Quote: Funny how you'll beleive one source, but not another, and your telling me not to beleive everything you read. Nice. Actually, I got the list from here. Nice to see yours matches up with mine though. Never assume. And back to the topic we go! This comment was edited by Kenyon on Jun 23 2005 05:40pm. |
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student 
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Right Kenyon, we all know you got your list from Here. Funny how you'll beleive one source, but not another, and your telling me not to beleive everything you read. Nice. I did check into my source. It was actually speaking about the year of 2004, sorry. It also was the number one hard cover nonfiction book of 2003 according to this report. I apologize for reporting wrong, however the facts about that book are as follows: Quote: The Purpose Driven Life has now sold more than any other book this year, 7 million so far, and was named “Book of The Year” July, 2003. 40 Days of Purpose is now being done in corporations (Coke Headquarters, Sparrow Records, etc) schools, prisons, NASCAR, LPGA, the Oakland Raiders, and all kinds of places besides churches. “It will hit 10 million copies sold by the end of December and has been on the New York Times hardback bestsellers longer than any other book this year (40 weeks)” It has now sold over 20 million. The point of my post was just to say that this book helped me out a lot along with millions of other people. And if it can work for all us millions, it might work for you. -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. |
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