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A Message From Your Friendly Neighborhood Enforcer -Buzz - Mar 22 01:46am |
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Hello everyone, Its time for you to tremble in fear. Well ok not really, not yet anyways. This here is an offer to some of our troublemakers at the academy that think they are getting away with what they are doing. I know a lot of what has been going on. So this is the deal: If you have ever done anything in violation of the rules be it using bound commands to giving out the server passwords this is your chance to come clean. You e-mail what rules you have violated and you will not be punished at all for these violations. This does not include anything you've already received a warning for however. Now if you decide not to take up this very good offer appropriate action will be taken against you(edited for wording). So this is in your best interest to come forward rather than risk being removed from the academy because as I said I know a lot. And now on the flipside for all of our quiet rule following members here at the academy. I would like you to e-mail me any instances of rule breaking you have seen. This will be completely anonymous and you will not be revealed to anyone but me that you are reporting these. I will listen to everything you have to say but providing proof will allow more immediate action. Once again this includes many things, violations on the server, racial or sexual harassment from any academy members, and even cases of admin abuse. Yes even our staff members are subject to the rules, believe it or not. This is meant to help make this place even better, and your chance to help in cleaning up the place you love to hang out. Please e-mail me here DO NOT LEAVE YOUR CONFESSIONS AND REPORTS HERE AS COMMENTS. This is meant to be anonymous. For the rule breakers looking for the clean slate you have until March 31 11:30 pm GMT -5. The clock is ticking for several of you. I suggest being smart and keep it ticking. Thank you all for your time. |
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I think this is an excellent idea. You guys are getting a hell of an oppurtunity... and for those who think that the JAC's are too hard on people, look at my story. I've been banned from the JA, they let me back... I was banned again, and let back. Between and around all that, I became a JAT, and a JAK. You kids have got it pretty darn good.  |
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Odan-Wei Belouve - Student 
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Quote: Once again this includes many things, violations on the server, racial or sexual harassment from any academy members, and even cases of admin abuse. Yes even our staff members are subject to the rules, believe it or not. This is meant to help make this place even better, and your chance to help in cleaning up the place you love to hang out. Looks like everything was grounded for what happened yesterday, wasn't it ? Just a thought that came up NVM  Odan-Wei _______________ Padawan and brother to SmilyKrazy  - Adopted in the Belouve Family by Fizz and Bubu, BELOUVE ON! - Vladarion, you'll always be in my heart and memories - Spam-Padawan of Jacen Aratan  - [DJ is my beloved wife! - JA Family: Brothers:
Virtue, Furi0us, Vladarion, Hardwired, Janus, Axion, D@RtHM@UL, Motrec, Mike , xAnAtOs , Luke Skywalker; Little bro to SilkMonkey ; Special kind of brother to Kenyon ; Sisters in-law: Rosered, Ain-Soph Aur] Photoshop works: click here |
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WierdoDude - Ex-Student 
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it is better to have a second chance then no chance at all. take it from me _______________ If you do not want others to know what you have done? Better not have done it anyways This comment was edited by WierdoDude on Mar 25 2004 02:21am. |
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Killer_Chicken - Ex-Student 
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I am new but the JA is really nice compared to other places _______________ I'm so smart,smart S-M-R-T ---- Homer Simpson |
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_cmad_ - Ex-Student 
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*cough* Loaf *cough* _______________ Your friends of today, are your enemies of tomorrow. |
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Ash - Eats Babies 
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actually the JA was originally queit leanient with students for a good while. they would ban a student and then let them back in a few months later and then end up baning them again. happened all the time. thats why they are starting to really crack down now. _______________ "We keep odd hours...." ----------------------- They Live, We Sleep |
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_cmad_ - Ex-Student
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Killer_Chicken you don't know much about the JA do you? You're a bit new to know some stuff. But on the other hand, i'm not really old _______________ Your friends of today, are your enemies of tomorrow. |
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Killer_Chicken - Ex-Student
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Remember it takes a bigger man to own up to his mistake. If the JA started to get real serious about rule breaking then they could go crazy with banning yet they give others another chance which makes the JA different unlike most clans and servers which would instantly ban people. If you think this is too strict then you have seen nothing. _______________ I'm so smart,smart S-M-R-T ---- Homer Simpson |
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Killer_Chicken - Ex-Student 
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If I could ask, how many e-mails have you received in this matter Buzz? You don't have to answer if you don’t want to.  _______________ I'm so smart,smart S-M-R-T ---- Homer Simpson |
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_cmad_ - Ex-Student 
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tick.... tick.... tick.... be smart and e-mail buzz.. _______________ Your friends of today, are your enemies of tomorrow. |
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Thomasooo - Student 
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Wise words from Doobie there.  I think this is a good idea. It's easy to break the rules if i.e. someone talks to you in an offensive manner while you're having a bad day, which everybody has once in a while...as for those who lame on purpose: admitting that they lamed is sort of the first step to becoming a better person, right..? Good job, Buzz. _______________ In the navy and LOVING it!
Recipient of comment no. 1000 and heart-warming words from Ataris!
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Mookie - Ex-Student 
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Hear hear! Now those are the words I wanted to hear, Doobie. Thanks. This comment was edited by Mookie on Mar 23 2004 07:33am. |
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doobie - Jedi Council 
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Just to add one thing... this isn't a witch hunt, or the JAC's going ban crazy, or anything like that. We're doing this as an opportunity to remind everyone that there are rules that need to be followed and that we consider honesty shown in "owning up" to something as something more important than the rule violation itself. Everyone makes mistakes, but it's the person who can admit their mistake and learn from it. As for people being afraid of "tattle-tales" or something like that, we've always had the policy that we need and want you to report rulebreakers to us. This isn't because we want to ban people or make this an authoritarian state (because, as JavaGuy said, if anything the Council is way too lenient with people... we hate banning folks). It's because in our community we have certain standards that we want and expect our members to follow, just as real life has standards and laws to make sure these standards are followed. Granted, Buzz's wording was a little misleading (he's corrected it)... we won't be banning people who don't admit their mistakes, but we will be a bit harsher simply because those people proved themselves not to be big enough people to admit their mistakes (I hope that clears up your concern daid... we're trying to teach people to follow the rules, not to ban them on sight). Trust us, we don't have the dark evil intentions that some of us may be giving us credit for. In fact, it's quite the opposite... we just want to clear the air, give everyone a chance to start over fresh, and make the Academy even better than it is today! _______________ -Academy Leader/Dictator/Defeater of DJ Sith and JACen Solo in the JAK+ Tournament -I do think it (the JA) will help convert dozens, maybe hundreds, to the dork nation... --me |
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Buzz - Student 
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A lot of this is for the people out there who slip up accidentally. Make one mistake one day and then are always worried that someone is going to find out and they'll be punished for it. And if someone who's committed a more serious violation is willing to take this as their new lease in life then good for them. As for complaints about being unfairly treated for your behavior you are always allowed to plead your case to the JAC's. I stand by all bans currently either made by me, Whispy in the past, or any other JAC and staff member, unless you can prove that they were unfair. Also, this is a notice for everyone else that you are allowed to e-mail me with what you see as violations of rules. I know that the JAK+'s aren't around 24/7 and can't see everything that goes on with our students. My door is always open to hear your complaints about anything going on at the academy. I want to keep this place peaceful and enjoyable for all and not have people avoiding it because they get lamed on the servers, mistreated, or feel uncomfortable here. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Icco - Student 
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bleh... So there are about 100 active members, thats 1000 different oppinions followed by many people who follow tyco's law*. so i say if someones got a problem with you stop, it youve got a problem with them tell em to stop problem solved and we can do on our way *ps tyco's law is as follows: average shmo + large community + anonomity = total F***head _______________ "this is Icco. Icco is old. Icco is lost. Icco is cool, but Icco doesn't know what the meaning of 'macrophageal sex'." - Vaughn /Icco |
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Ruuk Haviser - Retired 
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daid- Thanks for including the rules/force levels. That was very interesting, actually. Although I agree that we'd like everyone to be at and above the 4th level, I don't think that is possible. Everyone is different, and they have unique reasons for joining JA. We have people here at all those levels, although I'd like to think it weighs toward the upper end of your scale. But, whether we like it or not, we have peeps here who are down at the lower end. And *those* are the people who need to see this post. I'm not sure how we build a JA with only those that have the highest character, or "basic moral conceivability," as you put it. Do we say, "you have to think like this or forget it?" I'm not sure we can be exclusive like that. Heck, it'd be nice if everyone in the world would act nicely and follow the rules...but they don't. Which is why we have rule enforcement. And then...and THEN...if these people still don't follow the rules...well, then they get kicked. End result is what you want anyway: people who follow the rules. -rh _______________ Back from the dead... |
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Daidalus[JAP] Fisto - Student ![Daidalus[JAP] Fisto](/image_thumbnail.php?f_type=users&f_width=49&f_height=70&f_image=3482.jpg){kind=small}
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ok, here is my opinion of this discussion: Don't you realize how sick all this is? let me explain a little further: there are a few 'forces' to follow rules. You can call it motivations or reasons too. I call from now on "rules" not only down written rules like they are written here. i also call it social rules and those who makes a live in a group possible. - The lowest level is that you are afraid that if you don't follow, you get punished. That's the lowest level because you don't really want to follow that rule, you only do it because someone else is stronger than you. - the second level is, that you follow rules because it supports your interests but you respect other interests too. - the third level: you follow the rules because you want that other ppl think you are a nice person and you like the others too. - the fourth level is that you believe in the categorical imperative which says that you only do think that you want that other ppl do it too. (the opposite declaration would be: don't do thinks that other ppl shouldn't do too). - the fifth level is, that you don't need down written rules because you want that the social life in a group is possible and you act this way. you would never do something which would interrupt the group harmony. - the last and highest level is, that you have a moral force to do the right thing. you don't even think about breaking rules. you even don't need to follow rules because all your thoughts and your definition of doing "the right thing" includes all those rules. ok, that's the theory ;-) i don't think that anybody of us can say that he acts every time after the sixth grade. and maybe you recognise that it also shows the distance between the dark and light side. So what i want to say with that is, if here are ppl which intention of following rules is below the fourth level cant be member of the academy. In my mind this place here is a place of peace, fun and it deserves great respect of those who founded the academy. But this includes too, that the members of this place are a mirror of it self. If the base of the academy is build on ppl which are acting below the fourth level, it cant work. and if someone really wants to be part of us, he needs to have a basic moral conceivability. That's why i really don't like this post. @Councilmember's: You try to force ppl with fear to follow the rules. That's the wrong way and it will not work. If someone break the rules, make sure he know that he did it and if he do it again, ban him. I cant respect ppl which break rules with advisedly. please council, think more about postings like this. if you plant fear, you will earn hate. and i bet you don't want that. Maybe i'm too hard to some ppl and maybe some child's never have the luxury to make the experience of a fair world. maybe their family didn't take care of this moral leader i posted above. But even this ppl know what it means to break important basic rules and if they do it a second time, with the knowledge that its wrong, they don't deserve a second chance. Maybe they learn their lesson after a while and i have nothing about giving them a new chance, but only if they have changed. i hope you got my point ;-) after all i want to say that i broke some rules too. i think nobody can say that he has a white waistcoat. but i learned my lessons from it and i don't do it again. greatings, daid (misspellings by M$ Word2k ) _______________ Founder of the Fisto Family -|- Member of the mighty FiZZsters!! -|- Owner of the second Bail prize for "BAIL RULES!!" -|- I'll never forget you Jaina! -|- Owner of the one and only autograph of Smily -|- SMILY RULES -|- Owner of the 1000th Comment of the great Kueller -|- Big brother to NarCosT Fisto, and ShadowFax . -|- Proud Padawan of Kueller -|-Sir Daidalus Fisto. Official Historian of Nippledom and server to Menaxia, Queen of Nippledom Quote: fiZZe: "gdamubububugmgmgububugrrrrrdsa?"
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Ash - Eats Babies
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good god this is starting to sound like my criminal justice class. talking about the rights of victims and the rights of those who commit felons. jeez... _______________ "We keep odd hours...." ----------------------- They Live, We Sleep |
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JavaGuy - Student 
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Obviously someone who gets punished for breaking the rules is going to resent someone who gets away with it, but does a rule-breaker have much right to complain about getting caught? Seriously, if someone gets away with laming, the person who got lamed has every right to make an issue of it. Someone else who lamed someone and didn't get away with it doesn't get much sympathy; he should attend to the mote in his own eye rather than gripe about someone getting away with what he did himself. Now some people have mixed this up with the unrelated issue of unjust bans. I know nothing about the circumstances of recent bans, so I have no opinion as to whether they were justified or not (save to say that in all my time here the Powers That Be have been quite lenient). But if you feel a ban was unjust, then that is the issue, not whether someone else got away with a real offense. Now if you feel you were banned unjustly, then it will certainly burn you to know that someone else got away with a real offense, and it's cool to be angry about that, but remember it's the unjust banning you should be angry about. That's the real issue. Don't get distracted by an unrelated side issue that probably isn't even your business. _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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Ruuk Haviser - Retired
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Roan- I understand what you're saying. When I first started here, there were some issues then as well. Things seem to go in cycles. (There's a post about that somewhere around here...) Made me feel a little weird. But I came to understand that, just like real life, we get some speed bumps every once in a while. Yes, even in the best of worlds. JA isn't a perfect place...and we have some issues every now and then. But, we always work through them. That's why it's been around as long as it has. So, don't worry. They're cyclic growing pains. Happens every time a new game is released. n00bs just need to be reminded we're not fooling around, and the older people...well, they should just know better. (Which is why there appears to be a difference between how they are treated.) Trust me: no one *wants* to kick anybody out. Well, maybe Exar but...DID I JUST SAY THAT?!? But seriously, the people who were banned (unless I'm wildly mistaken) were given ample warning and numerous opportunities to clean up their act. Only constantly repeating offenders get booted from JA. We're looking to *grow* our membership. Not shrink it. My 2 ce... ok, fine: 12 bucks worth. EDIT: Roan and others, if you haven't had anyone tell ya that you were doing something wrong, chances are that you weren't. If you're breaking the rules, someone will inform you of that. You will be told immediately (while you are on the server) by either a JAK+, staff, or even a fellow student. Remember: rules are made to be followed. And enforced. If we don't have them enforced, then why even have them? So...you go Buzz. Rock on. EDIT2: JG, thanks (above) for addressing that part of the banning issue. Couldn't have said it better. -rh _______________ Back from the dead... This comment was edited by Ruuk Haviser on Mar 23 2004 12:43am. |
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Roan Belouve - Retired 
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don't want to go on (read my post a bit further down) But this has for the first time made me feel strange about this place. A place I really love to be. Nothing posted since has made me feel any different. I don't care about who got away with stuff or who didn't just feels weird. Sorry again  _______________ *Bro to Vaxxla,Padawan of FiZZandOdan-Wei Part of the mighty Belouve Dynasty-Knight of Nippledom.Twin of Selphestal!**Proud Master to Kaelis and Acura Friend to anyone who would call me the same . Pic by the amazing Majno (merry)
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doobie - Jedi Council 
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plus, look at it this way... we're going to use this time as a transition to the post-"free pass" period... because after march 31, we're going to start coming down on rule breakers like never before. if we didn't have a problem with rulebreakers we obviously wouldn't be doing this, but we do, so we need to take action... this is the way we decided to do it that allows people to come clean, fairly. plus, it's not like we're going to not punish any serious offenses that we find out about... this opportunity is for those who have committed minor infractions to come clean and those who have committed major ones to have a chance at a lesser punishment because of their show of honesty. _______________ -Academy Leader/Dictator/Defeater of DJ Sith and JACen Solo in the JAK+ Tournament -I do think it (the JA) will help convert dozens, maybe hundreds, to the dork nation... --me This comment was edited by doobie on Mar 22 2004 10:33pm. |
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Killer_Chicken - Ex-Student
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I dont think its unfair  It made me scared but people will act much better now. Many people could have been banned but buzz gave everyone another chance to clean up thier act. If they dont then the will get punished. Simple as that. _______________ I'm so smart,smart S-M-R-T ---- Homer Simpson This comment was edited by Killer_Chicken on Mar 22 2004 10:08pm. |
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SirBizNatch - Student 
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About this being unfair to people who've been here longer; its not. This isn't a free card to become lax about rules and then submit an apology later and get off scot-free. The admins are still going to be strict, but only if you don't realize the error of your ways and confess/repent, even if they know what you did. There's a lot of new people joining and they can't catch everything and warn everyone, but they have connections and find out what goes on if they aren't there. Thus they are giving the new guys a break and giving them a chance to adjust to our ways. It may have been harsher before when you broke rules, but most of the people weren't new and would have known the academy better. So lets stop with the not fair stuff, k? _______________ Personal body guard to teh 1337 Jacen Aratan! Midbie Council Memeber||Member of the Almighty FiZZsters This comment was edited by SirBizNatch on Mar 22 2004 09:16pm. |
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_cmad_ - Ex-Student
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k just nm my post, i'm sure i might have the opportunity to chat things over _______________ Your friends of today, are your enemies of tomorrow. |
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