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Lian Del Rey - Student  |
...because the Jedi Academy has magically stopped being a training thing and moved onto a community with no training whatsoever. Was the Jedi Academy made for IRC? I didn't think so. The Jedi Academy was MAINLY made so that the people could train so they could own other people at Public Servers.. in other words.. increase JK2/JK:JA skills. So, Huxley was at the server today. One part of why he left was... nevermind.. he wants to keep that secret-ish. But the other part was because the JACs ignored all of his suggestions. And now I'm upset at the JACs. All you JACs know this story. Let me tell it again. A long time ago in the ancient oldbie days, I was hanging out with Silent Whispy at DJ's Server (wee!) Eventually I persuaded Whispy about this... either that or she was too freaked out about how I blackmailed her to show everybody the high-definition photograph of her picking her nose and sticking her tongue out. (Not really.) Anyway, I was about to become a roleplaying teacher! You better watch out Yun! WHISPY: I'll BRB. In the meantime, plan how your classes will be.  LIANIOTTE: Wee! So I was all... ready... and stuff. Preparing how everything will start out, anxiously waiting for Whispy's return. She never came back. To this day I'm not entirely happy with myself trusting Whisper. Anger. Fury. Irritation. Humiliation. Well cross out Anger and Fury, but I was definately irritated and humiliated... and DEFINATELY let down. I thought that the JACs were the most trustworthy people around. Besides, she could have even joined the server and said "Sorry but you can't be a JAT anymore" if that's the case, instead of ditching me entirely. So, what's my point? The JACs should stop only being on IRC, but joining both games' servers. Now I'm upset at the Jedi Academy. The Jedi Academy wasn't meant to be a huge IRC station, but a training place with teachers.. well, teaching. Maybe we should get JATs who can teach more interesting things, so we don't have to relearn things we've learned thousands of times. DJ, whatever happened with you talking about the JAStaff thing so I can host roleplaying stuff? DJ, you're the one that made this site, and you've been a good "friend" to me, so I'm not directly mad at YOU. I'm just mad in general. (Not.. crazy.) I am aware of the people that are going to reply to this saying THEIR opinion.. And stuff. Deleting this topic will just show if you can't handle this sorts of situations. _______________ slorp This post was edited by Lian Del Rey on Dec 03 2003 04:52am. |
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SaberWeildinKow - Student 
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Ok. Let's get constructive again. But first, It doesn't who made the topic, the points are valid. Second, Jello, I hate to say it, but I do not believe you are in much of a position to criticize anyones participation level. Now that the beurocratic remarks are done with (spelling) let's get on with it. I see 5667 total members. I can garuntee that of the 3462 that are active, only a few hundred (that too high?) are truly active. I hereby volunteer myself to read, think about, and accept or decline applications. That is clearly a problem. If you let them all in you need to account for more than need accounting for. Think about it, isn't it a test of will/dedication to have 'prospects' wait 1-2-3 days before getting received? Who cares if some lose interest in that time? I have seen the change from jk2 to jk3. I have not seen a change in the fundamental functions/resources of this community however(Please people, don't let the 'risk' of posting here be that the jat's will reconsider you're nomination for JAK or w/e. that's not what it's all about). I meekly propose new staff members. I see Aso's 'promotion' as a wonderful thing. That's one less thing for the JAC's to worry about. Get one for applications (only a better name), a news person (if that's effective), a resources maintainer. ect. You JAK/T/C know what you need. You have a few hundred students to choose from. Another humble suggestion about JK3 classes. We need a JAT to start a class now. A 2 hour long one or so. A class for everyone to show EVERYTHING they know. Starting with Saber_bluestance and moving on from there. That benefits both parties. Students learn, JAT's have more to teach. Let's update this FAQ. (I may be speaking boldly, but I'm keeping my place) I'm sure many will be happy to contribute. What's wrong with a 35 Q&A FAQ split into categories? I say this, and open this for discussion. It's not that we need 30 JAK's, it's that we need a smaller pool of DEDICATED students. This is NOT a clan. Not a friend finder (redundant). How about this: If a student/knight/trainer does NOT log in during a two week period, a punishment is given. Add a property to a profile that allows the pausing of an account, this way there are no traveling issues. WE NEED BLACK AND WHITE RULES!!! (have i stressed that?) for instance: "Watch your mouths. A small amount of swearing is ok, but if you take it over the top, you will get a warning." We have had this discussion before. WHAT IS OVER THE TOP? Why not forbid cursing. It doesn't just slip when you are typing it. One curse which offends someone is worth a warning in my mind. "you have to participate by our rules if you want to participate at all." Let's go by that standard. If I may suggest another improvement which will help a lot I believe. We need to more forums: 'Academy Help' and 'Official Announcements'. You can't have too many forums. You can't have too little clutter. Going back to accepting new members. 65 members per day for two days...hm...sounds like one more JAK every two days  . The individual matters, but does not dictate the course of action based upon their presence.Another thing (am I making anyone mad?  ). The JAK's are trusted individuals. Give them the ability to ban!! I've seen 7 bannings If I remember correctly, all were made by JACen. There must be a difference between JAK and JAT, but don't let it be admin powers.hm...on that subject, let's create an anti-lamer force. Let it be 3, let it be 20. The more the merrier right? They don't need admin, they need a duty. To note laming of ANY kind. To take complaints accompanied with proof. Let them be the one's to give warnings. Why make our leaders deal with that? Lastly, let's have an idea person or two or ten. A person dedicated to giving thoughtful ideas. Do you really need to be JAK or higher to possess helpful thoughts? I think not. I think the staff position is a wonderful thing which needs to be taken advantage of more fully. I'd like to close by thanking you all for this academy. You make it great. You make it improve. You ARE the Academy. -my two cents (plenty more where that came from) |
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Ash - Eats Babies 
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i still suggest we all copulate _______________ "We keep odd hours...." ----------------------- They Live, We Sleep This comment was edited by Ash on Dec 04 2003 02:57am. |
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aph3x - Retired 
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if you're mad at the JACs....why not just take it up with them? i dont think its anybody else's business. now you're mad at the jedi academy. why are you here? |
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*checks his nipples* all out. |
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Master Lew - Student 
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m000ooo Got Milk? _______________ Brick Assassin for Hire Here, have a brick!
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Achilles - Student 
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Alright let's calm down here, Jell-0 you shouldn't be speaking about a person who has been here and seen the Academy the way it was, like that, inactive twice or not. Now, we need a chill-pill. Jell-0, you got nothing nice to say to Lian, don't say it at all. And Lian did explain why she WAS inactive for two months. 'writing a big post before trying to fix the academy yourself first' Ok, you need to look at her title a bit closely dude, '-Student' what else can she do besides post telling her problems? That seems at her rank that's the only thing she can do, as goes for all the other students. _______________ Padawan to the great Katan JA Brother to D@RTHM@ULR.I.P. Vladarion, may he find peace in the afterlife. This comment was edited by Achilles on Dec 04 2003 01:46am. |
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SS/ph00d - Student 
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Gandalf Voice "Cease the bickering, cease the tension, hear me out, for I'm in a different dimension. I see all that is going on here, to no good will it end, get along is all I have to say, because if you don't, we all will surely pay." I'm procrastinating lol, gotta get back to my project! _______________ -ShadowSith: CTF/gunner specialist. |
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Padawan On A Stick - Student 
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Eh herm, If you must complain, then ask yourself this, what have you done to correct this "problem" before you posted this thread?\ and btw to that little parenthesize, Mad=insane=mental=crazy _______________ When you are told something for years, you learn to accept it. But, after the truth is revealed, you feel conufusion, isolation, and depression. Then you ask, where do I belong? I'm searching for that answer. This comment was edited by Padawan On A Stick on Dec 04 2003 12:35am. |
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Jello` - Student 
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4) I didn't bother looking at all the stuff Jell-O said because every time I show up on something he flames me for no apparent reason. 7) WTF did I do to you? Every line I type lowers your IQ? Well I see it's working because everything you said just meant "blah blah blah" to me. Hypocritical? I'm not going to say any more. Move on is all I have to say, I dont have time for this. And somehow I knew youd bring up those stupid things I said. _______________ Brady Brothers: Orion-Greg, Furi0us-Peter, Me-Bobby. Long lost cousin to Flash. Midbie Council #007. Ex-JAK. |
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Hehe, well come ON Lian... Jello's face has already been DECIMATED by Acne. A few shards of glass won't make a difference. |
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Ash - Eats Babies 
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can't we all just copulate? _______________ "We keep odd hours...." ----------------------- They Live, We Sleep |
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Lian Del Rey - Student 
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Wow, JJ! I've never been so proud of you yet! _______________ slorp |
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Well thank f*ck for that! *smashes a bottle and stabs Jello in the face* |
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Chainer - Ex-Student 
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nah XDp |
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Ladies, please! Put down your handbags! Yes Jello... that includes your pink furry one. :p As radical as this may seem, do ya think we could... I dunno... co-exist? I hear gasps. That can't be good. |
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Chainer - Ex-Student
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*claps* hbit it right on the frikin nose jj Well, I more or less agree with Lianiotte... but, to be honest, I don't think it's really the place of someone who has been inactive for a couple of months, for the SECOND time, to leave a nice long post on the forums about how the JA is mis-managed, or whatever. Don't get me wrong here, I think Lian's got some pretty valid points, but I think maybe we all need to see things from both sides. Lian i understand ur points but u havent been artound much so i think u should back off a bit |
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Lian Del Rey - Student 
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Alright, let's get some things straight. 1) I appreciate your responses, DJ, Doobie 2) You think the whole of the reason of why I left the JA is because I was getting MARRIED? No no no no. That's half. The other half is because the Jedi Academy started going down the poopster (caring more about IRC than the true purpose of the JA) Now let's take care of Jell-O... 3) Jello's not my neighbor, as I stated a loooooong time ago 4) I didn't bother looking at all the stuff Jell-O said because every time I show up on something he flames me for no apparent reason. 5) If we didn't care for RP teachers, why would we have needed Yun and HIS RP classes? 6) I come back to the Jedi Academy and state what I've been knowing for a loooooooooooooooong time. I've been looking through the Jedi Academy a lot more than anybody knows— and that goes for ALL of you. 7) WTF did I do to you? Every line I type lowers your IQ? Well I see it's working because everything you said just meant "blah blah blah" to me. 8) "im sick of you lian" Oh Jello, not nearly as sick I am of you. "Pull down your pants" "Show me your tits" -Jello How rude, Jello. _______________ slorp |
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Acura Belouve - Student 
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btw the way jello: i think trying her to make her delete this topic is wrong she expressing her opnion and from what i learned every has the same rights in the academy and there opnion should be heard _______________ |
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Acura Belouve - Student 
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Im glad you started this topic up again Lian . Well this it what i think of the status of the academy as of now. WE have an amzaing student body bout 5000. But Our abovly ranked friends are only about 30 so. I therefore think we should get Trials for the people that have been patient enthustatic helping multiple people, calm, skillfullm nad honest which all our JAT and JAKS are atm. But simply there is not enough of them. As for classes this has been a major issue ive been around for a good year now alot of the classes have been the same thign over and over. I mean the classes are very good but to keep repeating isnt as bad thing such as. When Hux did his old school saber class i did it everytime till i thought i had mastered it enough to its full potential sometimes doing the same class over and over is a good thing but ne things arent soo bad as well. As for IRC sure there liek 50 or so people on but i think flash pointed out alot of them are sleeping eating or playing other video games. I dont think we will ever become a IRC community since we have so many dedicated people rather workin on there skills and trying to become better. But as far as i see it the academy is my home to friends that i consider my brother and sisters and that im always willing to help out. The feeling when i play and help someone is soo great to me and when being taught something knew i practice and practice it.I also must add ever since i joined the academy my person in real life has changed dramitically i use to argue and yell back at my parents. now i have found myself to be very calm and nice to them by applying the same image i do in teh academy as a calm and nice guy.So i think the JAC's the JAT's and the JAK's having been doing a wonderfull job in the academy since i joined and still are keep it up guys.I also must add ever since i joined the academy my person in real life has changed dramitically i use to argue and yell back at my parents. now i have found myself to be very calm and nice to them by applying the same image i do in teh academy as a calm and nice guy. _______________ |
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Fate - Student 
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Here's the thing, most of the JAC are on mirc for the specific purpose of helping us. Newbies who need to be approved can go in their, contact a JAC and get acitivated within minutes (Thanks C1, you did that for when when I was newbie). Also, it provides us a quick way to contact them ourselves. Additionally, many of the JAC isn't always home or has enough free time to be in the servers. It's easiest for them and they can spend the most time in irc (wihtout needing a beefy computer to talk to us). Anyways, that's why we got JAK. Jak patrol the servers, keep order, etc. Now here's the major thing. If a person says they'll brb, they should do that. But every one has real life to deal with and something can happen that prevents them from doing so. Be understanding. Also take this in to consideration when they don't always answer questions or take your advice. This is a place for fun and learning, yes it's nice to improve your JK skills while you're at it but keep in mind that this is just a game and we are just people. _______________ I must not fear . Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear . I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain. Gom gom gom gom gom! |
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Aayla Secura - Ex-Student 
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I’m new, and I have to say all the things you have said, I haven’t seen. I and learned loads in my 2 weeks here, I talked to DJ and yes even on a server (he let me lame him). And I go to all Luke’s classes and I don’t find them boring at all. But a role playing class would be pwnage. But more jak/t/c's I do think are needed. But I think the JAC’s are doing a very good job considering all the pressures they are under. Look at chosen one I think he got that mod done pretty quickly! Since the source codes where only released about 3-6 days ago but that’s just an ‘n00b’ talking so… _______________ IN UR FACE I'M NOT BLONDE! |
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..PJ.. - Student 
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Holy Crap, how do you guys write so much?? Well, anyway. I'm an oldbie, so I think I had better give my point of view here. I think that Lian is right, and that a few too many ppl are just replying with "shes a bitch/is bitching" Doobie, we have got away from our goals. It is sad to see that we had such a lovely community of regulars and now most of them have left ( Aeth) and now our classes are a touch repetitive. We should have a number of Different new teachers here, as everything is dueling!!! We must have at least 2 for every stance, and 3 for dueling in general! It's a wee bit ridiculous. We need guns training, anti-guns training, RPG training, even acrobatics training! EVERYTHING! Flight Training even. You should put out a call for people who think they can handle these classes. I personally am on the servers a lot more often, and would be happy to help out with anti-guns training, to give people more of a variety (end of plug LOL ) but seriously, the JA has just become so......so.....predictable!Something needs to be done. Apart from bitching at each other. I'm sure all the oldbies will agree! _______________ JK2 pwnz0rs JK3. |
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Wolfwood - Student 
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hmm, points are good and points are taken but managing everything has to be done as well. If Councillors stop being on IRC it could go crazy there. But they should indeed spend some more time on servers, I think its a matter of finding the right balance between them (but ill say no more since I havent been here that long and do not know about everything that goes on here) _______________ ~ Honor is a fool's prize. Glory is of no use to the dead ~ This comment was edited by Wolfwood on Dec 03 2003 10:34pm. |
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Achilles - Student
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Everyone here that posted has good, even great, points. I have seen many oldbies go because of school, or work. My own master Katan, had to leave for awhile because of school. But if you guys do need any help, I'm here for the Academy, I am here at my house most of the day, and, well, have played JKII since the way beggining. So you need help, I'm here for you all. _______________ Padawan to the great Katan JA Brother to D@RTHM@ULR.I.P. Vladarion, may he find peace in the afterlife. |
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Axion - Student 
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hehe.. good discussion even though im not one for smart discussions >.< theres a bug with the site for some ppl this is to DJ - whenever i try to update my profile you where that loading thing is where it sez click here if it will not load? its just a lil green square  well ive been only here for..since late july of this year... and its been great _______________ Axion - Yeah. |
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