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butterfly laming
Nov 04 2003 02:28pm

Feniks
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Feniks
Hi, i got this probleme that whenever i fight a staff user and he starts to lame his butterfly attack i get killed in a matter of seconds, running away is no answer but i can' seem to find a decent counter attack for his butterfly ... im more then open for suggestions cause its kinda irritating,
thanks
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Jan 07 2004 04:54am

ExiLe
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 ExiLe

i usually just crouch and right when hes over me give him hell with my staff:D
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Jan 05 2004 12:36am

Mikel Rider
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 Mikel Rider

I just.... do a little dance, make a little love, and throw in some gettin down tonight.:cool: Na but YOu got some good replys, I use blue lung, barrier, or a very carefully aimed red swing, and the red kata, but the katas hard to do.
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Jan 04 2004 11:24pm

Carve
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 Carve

A few things. First, for double sabers, the Barrier attack works very nicely, but if you don't kill them on it, you're liable to take more damage than they do. It's best to wait until they do the gliding part of the Butterfly before you use it.

As for using lunge, it only works against people who attack with the glide. The more experienced staff users will only use the two hops at the beginning to deal their damage, and it's awful hard to do a lunge against those.

Katas do work nicely but, as I said with the double Barrier attack, if you don't kill them with it you're liable to take more damage, which means you should wait for the gliding part of the Butterfly - again, against an experienced staff user that won't work well because the gliding will be used to flee. However, a red kata done at close range on the butterfly's first hop will deal a hefty amount of damage if you try to hit them with the first swings (the spinning ones). After that, try to get the heck out of there or you'll get hit by the glide.

As for the staff's saberlock, I tried it and you can't actually use kick during the saberlock. It's just another one of the variable ways to win a saberlock. So, if you lose the saberlock, you lose, and if you win, you win. Just like any other saberlock. Hope this helped! :-)
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Jan 04 2004 03:50am

Blbell
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Chopp them to pieces with dual saber barrier:):):)
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Dec 30 2003 10:13pm

CarthOnasii
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what i do is, when a staff user does butterfly, I back off and let him come forward to me and when its all most done i use the blue lung, it works very well;)
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Dec 30 2003 12:25am

Fizz of Belouve
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 Fizz of Belouve

hm, never seen that in action, but then, I havent been playing that much jk3 yet ;)
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Dec 30 2003 12:21am

Rendar
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 Rendar

even worse than butterfly laming is the staff has a %100 unblockable saber lock win. All they have to do is kick and you instantly lose and end up on the ground directly in front of within saber reach. Personly i think thats lamer than the butterfly

Dec 29 2003 11:39pm

Fizz of Belouve
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 Fizz of Belouve

yeah, red is cool against butterflies, but kataas are a good answer too ;)


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Dec 29 2003 12:38pm

Drunkenduck
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 Drunkenduck

I jump over them roll and stab em in the back ;)
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Dec 28 2003 03:32pm

Wolfwood
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 Wolfwood

I found a new counter, on red. Its still in base fase but I managed to do it twice. When someone does it wait till they are in mid-air, Then swing with a right swing and run into them. Timing has to be perfect otherwise youll either die or get hit pretty bad :P
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Dec 28 2003 02:29pm

Bail Hope of Belouve
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 Bail Hope of Belouve

yeah:)
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Dec 14 2003 05:19am

Lackeh- Retired
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 Lackeh- Retired

you can butterfly counter, switch to single saber and lunge, or rolling stab them.
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Dec 13 2003 10:57pm

Carve
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 Carve

If you're also using staff, time your own butterfly so that, as they do the gliding spin at the end, you collide with them from your first hop. It's the most effective counter I've seen yet.
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Dec 13 2003 05:12pm

Zoro Kakashi
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 Zoro Kakashi

what stance do you use, best counter is lunge of blue for sure, but even that comes with practice.

jump high above, dont run
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Dec 13 2003 02:52pm

Fate
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 Fate

Use the single saber blue duck lunge thing (was in jk2 and now in jk3). You stab right up into them.

When I first saw this topic I thought it refered to attacking unarmed butterflies! lol Don't lame the butterflies!
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Dec 12 2003 02:20am

Apologetic
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 Apologetic

The best way to conter/dodge butter fly:
#1.Use a butterfly attack and collide and you will defend and block.
#2.Use a roll/stab at the player and 9/10 you will hit or go under them.



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Dec 12 2003 01:50am

Doppelgnger
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 Doppelgnger

Feniks if I didn't know any better I'd say you need to turn up that mouse speed a bit and learn to use it fast cause I don't have a problem killing a staff user in the middle of a butterfly. Just get to the side of them cause they can't turn easily and just down hack at them in red stance. Jumping helps for an instant kill (headshot). Find that person who spams the butterfly and practice that move over and over again on them until you kill them each and every time with ease. It's that easy.;)
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Dec 10 2003 06:00pm

YinYang
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 YinYang

u know what i just foudn out:confused:
its NOT only butterlfy that does that its ALSO cartwheel!!!
I was dueling True Phate and in the middle of my attack phate does a cartwheel I saw no harm of hit just a simple escape from my attack then I noticed my sheilds and HP go ALLL the way down :confused: it killed me in the process to LOL so STOP complianing about staff and complain about other stuff:P just becareful of those cartwheel to until they REALY nerf theses things
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Dec 06 2003 03:18am

Carve
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 Carve

The downhack is good but, as Dante said, it's very risky. Personally, if you're in red stance, I find the superior choice to be right-strafe+back+attack, timing it so that as they land from their first hop, they hit your lightsaber as it swings upwards. Not only does this swing do as much damage as the downhack does, but because it involves you using the back/strafe buttons, you're already moving out of the way of the butterfly. Furthermore, crouching slows you down. Since you can stand whilst doing this counter, evasion is further simplified. As with any counter, however, it requires practice and good timing. It's a lot easier to just jump over it.
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Dec 05 2003 07:37am

Mitch
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 Mitch

I've always just used the side upstroke thingy to counter butterflies, to do it you hit A+S+Attack or D+S+Attack, step off to the side some so you dont get whacked though;)
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Nov 28 2003 08:20am

Jaiko D'Kana
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 Jaiko D'Kana

NOW this is a very difficult move to do, But JainaD'Kana and myself have found out that (if done correctly) The Ydfa is an exellent counter for the butterfly.....it requires alot of timeing and practice, but once you have mastered it, it does a hell of alot of damage.....:)
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Nov 26 2003 05:16pm

Janus
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 Janus

Added another post to the Staff vs Red Saber regarding this post
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Nov 24 2003 12:09am

O2B-1Dai
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 O2B-1Dai

It seems like there's a few ways to defeat a butterfly spammer.

Oh, I found another dual saber lock finishing move! Once the click-fest is over, the dual does a quick spinny dual upslash thing while the other blokes just looking fat dumb and happy at ya. Looks kinda funny tho, him just letting ya do it to him hehe :)
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Nov 22 2003 06:11pm

Dante Valmont
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 Dante Valmont

Thats why i said it takes practice. Of course someone who tries this first against some killed like you in the staff taht will aim down with a butterfly might not succeed. But someone who has practice with it and understands when to swing, in a dead fight between the butterfly spinnig after the second hop and a straight down red swing that you crouch at and aim it at them, the swing overpowers the butterfly. So its not really a matter of risk. I didnt say just satand there forever, you hit and then you get out. Its a matter of practice. Good points tho yy.
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Nov 22 2003 06:08pm

YinYang
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 YinYang

Well ok heres the way I look at it on the chance u actualy get the hit in cause of this cheap random dmg trash u may risk only taking 5-30 hp on a down hack which is COMPLETELY stupid
theres no set dmg SO ur way may work but ur running on the risk it'll take the dmg u want it to take cant asume it will take what u want due to this games off dmg scale
plus since i use staff mostly i would know moving ur hit towards the floor will attack the person on a crouched position
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