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Feniks - Student  |
Hi, i got this probleme that whenever i fight a staff user and he starts to lame his butterfly attack i get killed in a matter of seconds, running away is no answer but i can' seem to find a decent counter attack for his butterfly ... im more then open for suggestions cause its kinda irritating, thanks  forever_______________ " The acceptance of others is not a guarantee. Like everyone else a Jedi is accepted or not based on his behavior. The Jedi who believes that he is more important then others only demonstrates that his opinion is to be ignored." ~ Jedi Master Dooku on the subject of Arrogance ~ |
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Dante Valmont - Retired 
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When the stance starts off, i count that as a hop. As for the person turning their saber down, it still doesnt work. The red is too strong if you do it the way i described yy. _______________ "A teacher is one who makes himself progressively unnecessary" |
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YinYang - Ex-Student 
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Well thats 1 way of tryin to take down the butterfly u can risk hetin hit still cause all the staff user needs to do is point down and ur dead cause max on butterfly is 100/100  so in return u do a LUNGE which is VERY good counter but u needs space for it so be cautious on that.and its not to hops its 1 hop unless ur talkin about the left side butterfly then yes its 2 hops _______________ Sister to Smily,Axion,and CT Friend to ALL... SMILY, LUKE,MAGRA,AND KOYI RULE!!!!! . . : :There is ALWAYS 2 Yin and Yang , Good and Evil: : . . |
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Dante Valmont - Retired
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 _______________ "A teacher is one who makes himself progressively unnecessary" |
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Wolfwood - Student 
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Yeah, Thats basically what I said but much better explained _______________ ~ Honor is a fool's prize. Glory is of no use to the dead ~ |
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Dante Valmont - Retired
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I was debating to share this information but i figure since i like you guys and i like teaching, i'll teach the perfect counter to teh butterfly. Now you know how they hop twice before they spin. Well step back once they start, so they do the one hop right at you, then at teh second hop, be in single red and do a single red straight down swing, but duck when you swing. You'll hit them for an upwards damage of around 100. Sometimes i've even killed them in a matter of two hits. Its important to be fast when doing this and not stay there after the hit. Also, if they pick up on this and decide to turn away frmo you and go at an angle, pull back and wait for the secnd spin, then do the same thing. It takes practice a bit at first, but then you will see, as i have, how pointless it is to fight a butterfly spammer. Quite easy. There is your lesson, use it wisely friends  _______________ "A teacher is one who makes himself progressively unnecessary" |
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Wolfwood - Student
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A lunge is effective if you time it just between the last blow and the recharge. But what I do is just wait, try to get behind the kataing player and simply do a foward attack with red. That is a killer _______________ ~ Honor is a fool's prize. Glory is of no use to the dead ~ |
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madhatter - Student |
I've seen a very good single saberist just stand there and wait and at the last moment do a blue lunge and nail the person doing the butterfly and outright kill him or do tremendous damage upto 75 hp. And the easiest counter is i suppose dual saber saber shield kata. _______________ Welcome to MY Tea Party |
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aph3x - Retired 
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spamming ANY move is not good policy...even if it is as - ly as the butterfly. the thing is...they have relativly little control over their actions after they initiate the move. the trick is to watch and know your opponent. watch for the butterfly...and just avoid it. getting caught by it once is fine(it will prolly kill you), but after that, you should be expecting it. also, heavy stance works wonders against staff/duals This comment was edited by aph3x on Nov 10 2003 04:56pm. |
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Feniks - Student 
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Thanks for the amount of responses, ive tried some suggestions and sometimes they worked but... most of the time they didnt...I f you charge straight into a butterfly your eiter dead or very lucky to be alive with very few hp. I did find a counter of some kind, but it requires good positioning and timing using single saber strong style. After they iniate their butterfly go left and do a back+left swing as they pass by. when u time it good they dont hit u, but you hit them when their attacking in other words no defence :-) with the ja randomnes of damage the attacks do its hard to say how many of these attacks r needed, i managed to kill using 1 swings and then again there were times that i needed to hit 8 times before they were dead.... hopefully the patch will bring some answers :-) forever _______________ " The acceptance of others is not a guarantee. Like everyone else a Jedi is accepted or not based on his behavior. The Jedi who believes that he is more important then others only demonstrates that his opinion is to be ignored." ~ Jedi Master Dooku on the subject of Arrogance ~ This comment was edited by Feniks on Nov 10 2003 12:56pm. |
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Vladarion - Ex-Student 
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When they start the move you can side step and nail them from the side. It takes practice and you got to be quick. The most painful hits on the butterfly are those last ones when they spin slower. At which time you can either catch them in a kata or stab them. The bf spammer usually defeats themself in the end because of their consistancy.Watch them a bit and you will see their timing. Start nailing them as they start or rolling them when they stop. It doesnt take long then they get very frustrated. _______________ Padawan of Mace Windu, Brother to All. "Remeber, the Force will be with you always." - ObiWan Kenobi This comment was edited by Vladarion on Nov 10 2003 06:01am. |
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Kel Katarn - Ex-Student 
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is that a challenge? lol _______________ The dark side is for the weak, for they could not resist it. The Katarns rule! |
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dartH|Bodhi - Student 
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"the favourite of course, now how did you know that? someone scratched your back latly?" Heh, no I have done it in SP alot. The double decap is the best looking though. Duel Sabers have the best saber-lock finishes of the three types. ...staff is still better... _______________ The Force is a powerful ally... ...and a terrible foe. |
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Kel Katarn - Ex-Student
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the favourite of course, now how did you know that? someone scratched your back latly? _______________ The dark side is for the weak, for they could not resist it. The Katarns rule! |
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dartH|Bodhi - Student
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"Ohh and getting saber locked against a good dual saber user is a very bad idea..lol..if you don't know what i mean you'll find out soon enough" What do you mean Kel? The one where they knock your saber away and decapitate you with both sabers? The one where they move your saber away with one and impale you in the chest with the other? Or my favourite, the one where they hold the lock with the one saber and then use the force to move the other around in an arc to stab their opponent in the back? Mind you the staff has the Maul special by knocking the saber up and then a spinning back stab! _______________ The Force is a powerful ally... ...and a terrible foe. |
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Kel Katarn - Ex-Student
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Ohh and getting saber locked against a good dual saber user is a very bad idea..lol..if you don't know what i mean you'll find out soon enough _______________ The dark side is for the weak, for they could not resist it. The Katarns rule! |
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Kel Katarn - Ex-Student 
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HI here's my comment about that hated butterfly attack *Tosses some katarn wisdom* battel experience 6# in JKG the last part of the damn butterfly (where the staff barely moves as it the charter ends the combo by turnig round) it has often killed me when i had full health and schield..However double saber 'shield' almost always kills a butterflyattcker and i don't mean the spinning kata. This is because the butterfly get's stuck against your rapid saber attack. NEAT! Like rapid skull basching a butterfly to a pulp. Of course there's also a way to counter this but i ain't gonna say it heh _______________ The dark side is for the weak, for they could not resist it. The Katarns rule! |
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Gustoph Reinhardt - Ex-Student 
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Er, I guess I can call my technique the scissors then ..... I basically just keep attacking and turn right towards my target then to the opposite direction. |
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brx - Ex-Student 
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many good players (i'm talking about skilled players who are good with any saber  ) have adopted exactly 2 staff techniques. left-right scissors and bf. that's it. the scissors own everything and bf, well..anyway, there is no real counter to a butterfly, although i have heard people talk about the blue single saber kata as a good counter. what i usually do is evade the bf (force jump) and do a quick lunge into the staff user when their bf ends (last spin). if you are close enough they might believe in a chance to still hit you with their move, being easy targets once it has ended. of course, the good bf lamers know when do establish distance even when being in a bf. _______________ When the winds of change roam the land, there are those who raise walls - and others who build pin wheels. |
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D@RtHM@UL - Student 
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Well yeah, then GL in respawning Nah roll stab works for my most of the times |
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Odan-Wei Belouve - Student 
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Darthy, he doesn't want to just avoid it, but to counter ! Odan-Wei _______________ Padawan and brother to SmilyKrazy - Adopted in the Belouve Family by Fizz and Bubu, BELOUVE ON! - Vladarion, you'll always be in my heart and memories - Spam-Padawan of Jacen Aratan - [DJ is my beloved wife! - JA Family: Brothers:
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D@RtHM@UL - Student
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Just jump, or roll away, easy to avoid butterflies |
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SilkMonkey - Distributor of Cold Ones 
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I'd call them inoffensive names like Boog, and Murga. Or I'd refuse to duel em. Depends on the person. _______________ |-HK-47 -SilkMonkey: You are receiving a warning for being_too_sexy. If you do not stop, action will be taken against you.|| (11:13:43) � Virtue dances for Silk ||Smiling owner of Smilykrazy's 6000th comment =) ||Odan Wei's Proud Big Brother|| Janus is my official TaruTaru Cuddly Animal Type Person. ||(@Virtue) Or you could just be a man and set fire to your genitals.....you won't fall asleep for days after that.......trust me.||Thomas Skywalker er for sexy for sitt eget beste!!!!| Not changing sig until the JA loosens up. (Started: Aug 31, 2005) |
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Vasper Ba'xian - Student 
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well put java, Best way to look at it, is that when you do learn the best way to counter it, the people who spam the move wont be a problem to you anymore. Just do your counter and own them. _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON .My Spacescapes art page.My Everything Else art page. MY FAV. Jedi Are: Qui-Gon Jinn, Corran Horn, and Anakin Solo. Unofficial Master to Tamal. and Kavar. Founder of the Wuji Hundun Jian saber style. Proud owner of Tamal's 200th comment!//Proud owner of Refl3x's 300th comment!>>>Proud owner of Tyrant's 800th comment>>>Proud owner of Lucky's 170th comment>>>Proud owner of BDKawika's 444th comment>>>To except Existance is to except Reality.
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JavaGuy - Student 
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"Laming" in duel mode? LOL! Attacking before bow is laming, and attacking when the other guy puts up a chat box and says he needs to answer the phone or something, but using the same move a lot as "laming?" Sounds like he's just trying to give you practice countering that move. _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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Axion - Student 
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strafe out of the way and counter it _______________ Axion - Yeah. |
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