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PheoSoL - Student  |
hey just thought message too ask, is anything actually being decided about what u guys r doin with the academy, it seems a shame to let the community carry on dieing cus nothing changes, and as much as all like sitting around reminiscing things need to move forward  . well i hope everyone is alright do miss hangin with ya guys_______________ RaiN!+ThundeR! http://www.myspace.com/solomongrist |
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Carve - Student 
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Look at the PC UI for Battlefield 3 and Skyrim and tell me consoles haven't proven detrimental to PC gaming. It's actually offensive. They certainly haven't done anything for innovation - gaming would have continued to evolve with or without console involvement. Couple that with the fact that UI and hardware demands have to be limited to technologically ancient console demands and it's pretty difficult to convincingly argue that consoles haven't been holding game development back. Unfortunately, as was said, big developers make games for big money, and consoles dominate in sales.
e: i liked it more when i was an outcast. _______________ © This comment was edited by Carve on Nov 24 2011 03:42pm. |
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Monteeeeeee - Nugget 
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Add to the fact that consoles have brought consoles to the front of entertainment, before you were outcast from society as a gamer, now its cool to have a PS3 under your Tv or xbox. Everything evolves, and from a developers point of view making console games is a quicker turn around than PC games. _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are 
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Sajid - The Undertitled 
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Quote: thats bullshit games are subjective, go play uncharted and tell me you didnt enjoy it, or shadow of the collosus... Like i said before pc gamers are a different bread to console gamers. Xbox didn't ruin anything
Granted, those games were enjoyable, but they could have been so much more so. Im not saying this applies to everything, something's are meant for consoles, but still. _______________ Brother to Quill You don't understand. I'm not locked in here with you, YOUR LOCKED IN HERE WITH ME! |
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Monteeeeeee - Nugget
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thats bullshit games are subjective, go play uncharted and tell me you didnt enjoy it, or shadow of the collosus... Like i said before pc gamers are a different bread to console gamers. Xbox didn't ruin anything _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are
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Sajid - The Undertitled
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Quote: But Monteee, you forget about the effects of consolification. Exactly.
I didn't mean those kinds of consoles, I meant the Xbox. The Xbox pretty much ruined the gaming industry IMO, all the games have to be watered down to work with controllers and consoles. I was acutally playing QUAKE not five minutes a go lol. _______________ Brother to Quill You don't understand. I'm not locked in here with you, YOUR LOCKED IN HERE WITH ME! |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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But Monteee, you forget about the effects of consolification. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Monteeeeeee - Nugget 
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Quote: Console gaming has ruined the gaming industry. Just the fact that you require a controller seriously criples gameplay. I find my keyboard (or gamepad, depending on the game) more functional and, for lack of a better phrase, "hand friendly". I believe it was the game HALO: Combat Evolved that started the console gaming industry for the most part. HALO was going to be a PC/Mac exclusive game, then Microsoft went and bought it. It's true, we have the console to thank for the absence of a JK4.
Any thoughts on how much TOR will cost? i dont recall starting on HALO with consoles, when i was growing up with amstrad cpc 464 which was essentially a PC, but then it moved fully to nintendo and sega master system for about 5-6years before SNES and Genesis came out. PC gaming has only really become affordable for most people since the early 2000's. Consoles had their foot in the door for along time. PC gaming is a differnt culture to consoles, we pc gamers like to tweak our games and mod them while console gamers take the game as it comes and are happy with it. Consoles have ruined pc??? no chance if anything the money companies make on consoles games help fund the PC only games. _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are
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Kaldør - Student 
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Quote: Console gaming has ruined the gaming industry. Just the fact that you require a controller seriously criples gameplay. I find my keyboard (or gamepad, depending on the game) more functional and, for lack of a better phrase, "hand friendly". I believe it was the game HALO: Combat Evolved that started the console gaming industry for the most part. HALO was going to be a PC/Mac exclusive game, then Microsoft went and bought it. It's true, we have the console to thank for the absence of a JK4.
Any thoughts on how much TOR will cost? Or we can stick to good ol' Quake, Doom, and soon Rage. :> |
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Sajid - The Undertitled
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Console gaming has ruined the gaming industry. Just the fact that you require a controller seriously criples gameplay. I find my keyboard (or gamepad, depending on the game) more functional and, for lack of a better phrase, "hand friendly". I believe it was the game HALO: Combat Evolved that started the console gaming industry for the most part. HALO was going to be a PC/Mac exclusive game, then Microsoft went and bought it. It's true, we have the console to thank for the absence of a JK4.
Any thoughts on how much TOR will cost? _______________ Brother to Quill You don't understand. I'm not locked in here with you, YOUR LOCKED IN HERE WITH ME! |
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ZantuS - Student 
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Quote: ... it would be very strange to release a game that is primarily designed to be played on external hardware.
But yeah, combine that with the fact that consoles are on the forefront of the industry at the moment and that nobody is going to make a SW PC exclusive game that is not an MMO anymore and the future for JK4 looks pretty bleak, sorry to say. What about Guitar Hero? Mouse&keyboard combo is even less alien than some of the stuff games use... to me at least. I don't know the twisted mind of the HC console player, so yeah... Maybe they could never get used to using PC hardware. Sad.  _______________ Happiness is the ability to say "So what?" |
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JP - Academy Pimp 
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Quote: it would be like recommending a diehard rts fan of warcraft 3 to go and play world of warcraft.
completely different types of games unfortunately. Thats EXACTLY what happened...thousands of Warcraft 3 players heard about this amazing RPG set in the universe they know and love and became addicted. Its the exact way TOR will get millions of subscribers. _______________ Come on now, every Generation X boy wanted to be Luke Skywalker. Is it because he was a whiney farm boy from some backwater hack planet? No, it's because he was a FREAKING JEDI. He could block lasers with his lightsaber. He could levitate droids & rocks & crap with his mind. Come on, he choked two pig dudes with just a simple gesture. He cut off Darth Vader's hand and kicked him down a flight of stairs. He got his @$$ zapped by lightning from the geezer Emperor, stood up and said "s'at all you got b!tc#??" |
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SaZ - Student 
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Quote: embrace the promising future of SW:TOR rather than staying staunchly JK-only
on one hand thats how probably TJA will live on and im glad it will, but on other hand... swtor will not remove that need for a decent saber game. it would be like recommending a diehard rts fan of warcraft 3 to go and play world of warcraft. completely different types of games unfortunately. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana This comment was edited by SaZ on Jul 15 2011 05:52pm. |
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Eica - Student 
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Quote: The reason as to why there has been no JK4 in development and probably never will be is because the gameplay we know from JK2/JKA is too complex for gamepads. I mean, it seems quite obvious that someone who's playing JKA with a mouse and keyboard has and always will have an enourmous advantage over someone playing with a gamepad, and although you can plug in your mouse and keyboard into <next-gen console of your choice>, it would be very strange to release a game that is primarily designed to be played on external hardware.
But yeah, combine that with the fact that consoles are on the forefront of the industry at the moment and that nobody is going to make a SW PC exclusive game that is not an MMO anymore and the future for JK4 looks pretty bleak, sorry to say. I think there's probably a bit more to it than that. The single player for Jedi Academy was awful compared to the standard set by JK2, and while the multiplayer community was pretty vibrant for a long time there's only so far that alone can carry the game. That being said, I think they both were much better games than The Force Unleashed which even though they were primarily about force usage had pretty useless saber combat and could be seen as a failed experiment in that regard. I'd be surprised if they made another one. I think gaming has just moved on to be honest. I can't honestly look at the rave reception KOTOR 1/2 recieved and the surprisingly huge anticipation for SW:TOR and wonder "why aren't they making another lightsaber combat game for the Quake 3 engine". I say embrace the times, I'm never usually an mmorpg gamer but I'm looking forward to that game more than any other at the minute. Not a criticism at all but it'd be nice to see this great community get a revamp and embrace the promising future of SW:TOR rather than staying staunchly JK-only, which will mean more people in years to come wondering why no one logs on anymore. I know I'm one to talk considering a lack of activity, but it's just my two cents  _______________ Former padawan of RoseRed This comment was edited by Eica on Jul 15 2011 01:57pm. |
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Cuthalion - Padawan 
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Quote: The reason as to why there has been no JK4 in development and probably never will be is because the gameplay we know from JK2/JKA is too complex for gamepads. I mean, it seems quite obvious that someone who's playing JKA with a mouse and keyboard has and always will have an enourmous advantage over someone playing with a gamepad, and although you can plug in your mouse and keyboard into <next-gen console of your choice>, it would be very strange to release a game that is primarily designed to be played on external hardware.
But yeah, combine that with the fact that consoles are on the forefront of the industry at the moment and that nobody is going to make a SW PC exclusive game that is not an MMO anymore and the future for JK4 looks pretty bleak, sorry to say. Realistic. _______________ <MaherSenatu> guh... you are just... I'll keep sure that your kind of people will never be knights... <MaherSenatu> That's my mission... Master to Kain Sol |
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planK - Jedi Council 
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Quote: The reason as to why there has been no JK4 in development and probably never will be is because the gameplay we know from JK2/JKA is too complex for gamepads. I mean, it seems quite obvious that someone who's playing JKA with a mouse and keyboard has and always will have an enourmous advantage over someone playing with a gamepad, and although you can plug in your mouse and keyboard into <next-gen console of your choice>, it would be very strange to release a game that is primarily designed to be played on external hardware.
But yeah, combine that with the fact that consoles are on the forefront of the industry at the moment and that nobody is going to make a SW PC exclusive game that is not an MMO anymore and the future for JK4 looks pretty bleak, sorry to say. I think they could pull off multi-swing combinations using a stick system ala the Fight Night series of boxing games. But I think youre right in that a prominantly PC franchise wouldn't fly on the PC like we'd hope |
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Dash Starlight - Jedi Instructor 
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That's actually a very good point Masta. I hadn't thought of it that way myself, but I think you're right. It's sad though, but realistic. _______________ The name is Bond. James Bond. This comment was edited by Dash Starlight on Apr 29 2011 03:42pm. |
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Hugo - Student 
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Quote: The reason as to why there has been no JK4 in development and probably never will be is because the gameplay we know from JK2/JKA is too complex for gamepads. I mean, it seems quite obvious that someone who's playing JKA with a mouse and keyboard has and always will have an enourmous advantage over someone playing with a gamepad, and although you can plug in your mouse and keyboard into <next-gen console of your choice>, it would be very strange to release a game that is primarily designed to be played on external hardware.
But yeah, combine that with the fact that consoles are on the forefront of the industry at the moment and that nobody is going to make a SW PC exclusive game that is not an MMO anymore and the future for JK4 looks pretty bleak, sorry to say. sadly enough, that's true :'( |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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The reason as to why there has been no JK4 in development and probably never will be is because the gameplay we know from JK2/JKA is too complex for gamepads. I mean, it seems quite obvious that someone who's playing JKA with a mouse and keyboard has and always will have an enourmous advantage over someone playing with a gamepad, and although you can plug in your mouse and keyboard into <next-gen console of your choice>, it would be very strange to release a game that is primarily designed to be played on external hardware.
But yeah, combine that with the fact that consoles are on the forefront of the industry at the moment and that nobody is going to make a SW PC exclusive game that is not an MMO anymore and the future for JK4 looks pretty bleak, sorry to say. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Monteeeeeee - Nugget
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well raven are working on MW3 now well at least the MP asepct, coming off the back of a sure fire hit, would they want to go treading in to this water again ? I doubt it. I think lucasarts are heavily invested in TOR so don't expect another Jedi Knight game in the series anytime soon. Its a shame but there are simply wayyyyyyyyyyy more better games out there nowdays. JKA and JK2 where both around when games were not coming as quickly as they are now. You can argue that they aren't as good because they are sequels etc.. but JK2 and JKA were both apart of a series so i believe we are kinda Bias here.
Great games coming this year and yeah i would imagine the site will trasfer to TOR. _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are
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Dash Starlight - Jedi Instructor
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Well said, to be honest I wonder why they aren't producing a sequal to Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy. I'm sure that if they bring out a good game there'll definately be a market for it... _______________ The name is Bond. James Bond. |
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SaZ - Student 
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most people have moved on either to being busy in real life or to other games.
i suggest bumping people in irc channel. there you might find people who will want to play jka with you or other games. when SWTOR comes out TJA will probably be more active. however just like most people id rather have a new jedi knight game. mmos even if they are star wars based just cant compare to some saber combat action of jk2 and jk3 no matter how bugged they were lol. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana This comment was edited by SaZ on Apr 20 2011 10:42pm. |
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Dash Starlight - Jedi Instructor
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Hey man, good to hear from ya again. As far as I'm aware, the JA will continue to have servers available for those who'd like to play JKA. If you wish to hang out with us, there are around 4 or so people on nearly every night. You're welcome to join in!
Next to that, I think the JA might be moving into the direction of TOR. It'll be a new game that could bring back activity to a decent level and provides us with a reason to exist for years to come. A guild has already been set up by Virtue.
I don't know what else has been discussed, I think a JAK+ is probably the best person to answer this. _______________ The name is Bond. James Bond. This comment was edited by Dash Starlight on Apr 20 2011 10:23pm. |
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