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Concerning Exploits. (01:44:25) (solitude) I can think of a RL parallel. (01:44:45) (Tido|Laptop) lol which one? (01:44:56) (`Orion) ? (01:45:07) (solitude) Well. (01:45:11) • Setementor snogs solitude (01:45:12) (solitude) It's all down to bad losers  (01:45:14) • solitude hugs Setementor (01:45:19) (solitude) Think of it this way. (01:45:25) (solitude) You're #2 in yr college class. (01:45:28) (solitude) finals time (01:45:31) (solitude) you can eithe (01:45:32) (solitude) r (01:45:38) (solitude) #1 revise hard and work hard (01:45:40) (solitude) and do better (01:45:43) (solitude) or (01:45:43) (solitude) #2 (01:45:53) (solitude) say the #1 guy cheated and fake eevidence (01:45:56) (solitude) and make him go down (01:45:59) (solitude) say yo do #2 (01:46:00) (solitude) you * (01:46:04) (solitude) then you go into the real world (01:46:16) (solitude) everyone is better than you, because you're a cheating hobo who cant stand losing (01:46:28) (solitude) and prefers to drag others down instead of improving yourself (01:46:38) (solitude) people who scream spolit are like that (01:46:44) (solitude) example #2 (01:46:47) (solitude) glide delays (01:46:52) (solitude) possible with red, yellow, blue and staff (01:46:57) (solitude) people only bitch about oens with red (01:47:03) (solitude) because they lose to them... (01:47:14) (solitude) play better, dont try to reduce your opponent. (01:47:18) (solitude) thats just pathetic (01:47:23) (Tido|Laptop) solitude I love you (01:47:27) • solitude hugs Tido|Laptop (01:47:52) (solitude) Peopel who complain just need to grow up and step outside™ (01:48:17) (solitude) And so ends my inspirational life lesson (01:48:27) * Disconnected So, those who can't rise above it, grow the *************** up and get out more. Why try to bring others down? _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge  Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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Tido - Student 
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lol sauce I don't really care to discuss what is an exploit and what is not/what the saber system should be and what it is. None of this will get us anywhere. All I'm saying in my post is lets not be so critical of eachother because of moves in a game. Some people will use certain moves and others will not. I just don't think it's right to cast another in a poor light because of it. |
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Buzz - Student 
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Quote: Read what I posted again, that was not what I said. Read what I posted again. Particularly the second line. That's the more important one to what you had to say. Your example is crap because you have only given two choices for a situation that does not have two outcomes. Its a tactic you can see people use on political blogs all the time. You give a reasonable choice and an unreasonable choice, and act like those are the only possible options. You're rigging it so you can't lose, and I'm going to call you on it. Find something with only 2 outcomes, or actually list the possibilities. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Jaiko D'Kana - Student 
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Hmmm im not going to post my personal thoughts here or my oppinion. Instead im going to post this link. Hopefully some of you may some find truth in what is said here and think before you post again others may not, nothing ventured nothing gained eh? Take Care guys, -JaikoD'Kana- _______________ The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind. William James (1842 - 1910) |
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Alex Dkana - Staff 
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S*** happens. Edit: very nice link posted by Jaiko to a brilliant poem above. _______________ To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield | Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken | Rhaiko D'kana - SWTOR EU Guild Co-Founder | Is it what the teacher, teaches? Or what the student learns? A Dkana This comment was edited by Alex Dkana on Dec 15 2005 05:19pm. |
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Mindrith Pride - Student 
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Quote: Hmm.... I apologise for the "Shut up, everyone" comment. I just re-read my post, I didn't need to say that. - Virtue.  see? everyone gets grumpy some times, its not our fault, sometimes it happens, then we get a earfull from the council or teachers... _______________ [proud owner of talions 200th, 700th,1111th coment AND 1400th , DJK's 3001th coment! , saz's 400th coment! liso's 800th coment! Kitmitsu Aratan's 1200th comment! Cau's 100th comeent, Alexander's (aka CC) 210th, 888th and 2200th comments! Moriarti's 800th comment , Piccolo's 2000th comment! lirael's 505th comment , Quom Farlance's 120th comment, Alexander's 1800th comment , Eica's 1400th comment , Wicek's 3200th comment lady C's 999th comment, Echuu's 1100th comment, Takaru's 325th and 400th comment, Redeye's 200th comment picc's 3600th comment, Ostith's 50th comment, Elmo's 555th comment] |
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Virtue - Jedi Council 
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Hmm.... I apologise for the "Shut up, everyone" comment. I just re-read my post, I didn't need to say that. - Virtue. _______________ Academy Architect |
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You're all being gay. Only i'm allowed to be gay. Knock it off.  Solitude, you suck. |
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Virtue - Jedi Council
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Hahaha. It's laughable how far some of you people will go to defend your exploits. You think I'm calling them bad out of opinion? You think it's just a theory? Two years of research, analyzing the game's source code and conversing with programmers are what led me and a few others to our conclusions based on facts. You people don't realise that for the most part, we're the same. Is it dumb that extensions are actually exploits? Your opinion: Yes My opinion: Yes Is it frustrating that alot of stuff you do in JK3 is exploitable? Your opinion: Yes, I hate it. My opinion: Yes, I hate it. Do you strive to play as fairly as you can? Your answer: Yes! My answer: Yes! See? We're pretty much the same. The only difference between me and you is the fact that even though I think the concept is silly, I understand and have accepted what exploits are. I don't whine that "Omg they are a part f the game!!1!!!1!1!". I have already made a post saying that a detailed article is on it's way. Instead of just waiting for that to come and discussing it, you decide to make more posts whining about this and that, stirring up things here and there. Just shut up, all of you. - Virtue. _______________ Academy Architect This comment was edited by Virtue on Dec 15 2005 03:02pm. |
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Furi0us - Student 
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i own all gg _______________ You are not your f***ing system specs. You are not your uptime stats, your script file, or your oversized desktop screencap. You are not your broadband connection. You are not your f***ing post count. |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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Sauce you're a genius. But yea, gotta agree with Tido and Sol. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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solitude - Jedi Council 
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Quote: So in order to beat the guy who is using steroids, you should take steroids too? And not report him for cheating? I don't think so. Fair point, but it doesn't work in a situation such as this. - Virtue. Wrong, you do the best you can WITHOUT cheating. Steroids do have a certain negative effect on someones health. You can't really say an 'exploit' can be directly related to steroid use in sports. Quote: You don't want to fight exploiters don't fight them. I can agree with that, so why not just ban all the whining about it and make that the official Academy line? Quote: Kind of a worthless life lesson, or inspirational one at that. When people cheat and don't follow the rules they should be exposed. Just because you don't think the law should exist doesn't mean that those who get caught should be off the hook. Read what I posted again, that was not what I said. _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
Owner Of Virtue's 1000th profile comment, Mr. Doobie's 1000th profile comment, Gradius' 2500th comment, xAnAtOs' 2500th comment, Rosered's 1500th comment, Laziana's 900th comment, Scythus' 500th comment and Echuu's 100th comment This comment was edited by solitude on Dec 15 2005 01:31pm. |
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AvaloN - Student 
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Excellent post Tido, wish I would have the skills in English to write down my thoughts like that. I fully agree with u and Sol, people are far too paranoid about sabering in this place. And yeah, calling someone an exploiter will give him a bad reputation, thats just the thruth. This whole situation didnt exactly do my name any good, but if one judges me by the fact that someone with a certain opinion has called me an exploiter, then that just tells me enough about that individuals own character. Form your own opnion about aiming the saber, and judge a person by his character, not the way he swings his saber. (life-lessons ftw) I simply dont care what people use against me ingame, Ill just stick to my own style and try to beat em. Some of u should try it, it actually makes u enjoy the game EDIT: n1 Sauce This comment was edited by AvaloN on Dec 15 2005 11:15am. |
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Sauce - =^.^= 
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translator-o-matic: solitude's post: stop whining. jade: i concur. tido: don't hate. don't front. vitue: no. tido: no to ur no. pink: ok knight: who cares. buzz: ur all dumb. tido: oh no u didn't. knight: don't make a scene. buzz: tido, ur an idoit. stop whining about ppl whining. talion: wait. wth is going on. |
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NotSoLittleCaesar - Student 
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Quote: how do you know that they haven't broken the rules just because you think the tactic is fine. May i ask how you think it is right? Tido i probably is the most experienced, YES This his opinion, but saying itg is bad, is yours. or basicly. how do you know its not fine? _______________ Quote: I mostly agree oh Lord of the squeezy mop
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Tido - Student
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Quote: You trying to be one of integrity and saying how I should present myself as a leader of the community is laughable at best Tido. I guess I shouldn't be surprised. You always made it a point make someone feel like crap. At least I'm not the only one I guess. Lots of JA students who happen to disagree with you also have witnessed your professionalism. Any time you and I have a conversation you have to poke that in my ribs. I screwed up, I was demoted, I went on. But damn Buzz, you don't have to be a dick to me about it everytime. Quote: This is a worthless argument anyways. I'm sick of all the crap with exploits. I'm sick of seeing people whining about them. I'm sick of people defending them. You want to play the game play the game. You got it. All I'm saying is I wish people would do exactly that. Quit trying to make something black of people just because of how they play a game. It's just pointless. |
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Buzz - Student
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You trying to be one of integrity and saying how I should present myself as a leader of the community is laughable at best Tido. And you missed the point of what I had said. His example is useless because it assumes that #1 the guy isn't cheating, and #2 you only have 2 courses of action. That's not the case. And along with that, how do you know that they haven't broken the rules just because you think the tactic is fine. This is a worthless argument anyways. I'm sick of all the crap with exploits. I'm sick of seeing people whining about them. I'm sick of people defending them. You want to play the game play the game. You don't want to fight exploiters don't fight them. You want to say someone is an exploiter, say they're an exploiter. You want to moan and groan because people won't duel you because all you do is exploit after exploit, tough luck. You want a real inspirational life lesson? You're going to do stuff in life that a lot of people aren't going to like. Stop doing it or learn to live with a lot of people not liking it. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Gradius - Ex-Student 
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Guys, Avalon is a big boy, he can stand up for himself. _______________ - Proud padawan of Kueller. - We really are at the beginning of it all. The trick, of course, is to make sure we never find the end. - Bill Bryson, A Short History of Nearly Everything - <gen-e-sis-happy> Liek, you can train, liek, a n00b, but he'll just be a trained n00b... --> Wise words! - "daer SOE me likes your a company i am having your some money for letting me do stuff cos mes the best amd i do it all meself" - Slider |
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Tido - Student 
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Quote: Kind of a worthless life lesson, or inspirational one at that. When people cheat and don't follow the rules they should be exposed. Just because you don't think the law should exist doesn't mean that those who get caught should be off the hook. I don't think anyone would disagree with you except in this case no one is cheating or breaking a law. If we were talking about a wallhack, an aimbot, or such then there would be no discussion. But Avalon was just trying to be accurate and have good aim with his saber. He was completely within the bounds of the game (or he wouldn't be able to do it). Even if he was wiggling or swaying, that's how jk3 is made. We can't change it. Calling someone a cheater simply because you can't beat them within the boundaries of the game isn't the example the JA should be setting. Buzz, as a leader in this community (regardless if you play or not), labeling someone a cheater who isn't just because you don't agree with the outcome or simply don't like facing that kind of challenge isn't....well it isn't what any of us hoped for.  |
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Buzz - Student 
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Kind of a worthless life lesson, or inspirational one at that. When people cheat and don't follow the rules they should be exposed. Just because you don't think the law should exist doesn't mean that those who get caught should be off the hook. You assume your example 2 is bad because the person would be lying about the cheating, and that's just not always the case. You lack sufficient examples for the situation and assume its an either/or scenario. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Gradius - Ex-Student 
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Meh, who cares? It's a game damnit. Not that I'm all for the use of exploits or anything, but jeez, everything doesn't have to turn into a discussion about them. Know what I mean? _______________ - Proud padawan of Kueller. - We really are at the beginning of it all. The trick, of course, is to make sure we never find the end. - Bill Bryson, A Short History of Nearly Everything - <gen-e-sis-happy> Liek, you can train, liek, a n00b, but he'll just be a trained n00b... --> Wise words! - "daer SOE me likes your a company i am having your some money for letting me do stuff cos mes the best amd i do it all meself" - Slider |
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Pink_Mintaka - Student 
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Tido - Student
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But is a wiggle really a steroid? Is a sway really unstoppable? That's what I love about this game, there's always a way. In golf, you can't buy a nice set of clubs and be a good golfer. In jk3, you can't wiggle and sway and be a good fighter. Also there is nothing at all to really tell us what is and what isn't an "exploit" except our own personal rules. Why can't everyone just fight how they want to fight? Why must people be so low instead? Also to counter your analogy, steroid use is banned because it is unhealthy. We don't want our professional athletes to use steroids because we don't want people to feel they have to jepordize their own health to compete. If they were banned simply because they make someone perform better, then why wouldn't weight lifting or eating a planned diet be banned too? You're not attacking people who extend because they are trying to perform better... This comment was edited by Tido on Dec 15 2005 04:21am. |
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Virtue - Jedi Council 
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So in order to beat the guy who is using steroids, you should take steroids too? And not report him for cheating? I don't think so. Fair point, but it doesn't work in a situation such as this. - Virtue. _______________ Academy Architect |
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Tido - Student
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There's an even darker side to this entire exploiter witch hunt. With this official (or not official, it's like policy through the telephone game) ruling that extending/aiming is an exploit, you are making a judgment of that person's character. When you label someone an exploiter, you are saying they are cheap, dirty, desperate to win, and have poor sportsmanship. This is the reality of it. You can be diplomatic and say it isn't but we all know that is complete BS. Avalon isn't just having how he fights questioned, but the quality of his character too. His reputation in this community is now at stake, as are all of us now in the path of this circus train. In the JA today, calling someone an exploiter is really a personal attack. Why do people feel this is necessary? What motivates a person, especially a person in a leadership position in this community, to degrade someone simply for how they play the game? Are our egos so tightly wound around our wins and losses that failure to perform couldn't possibly be our own fault? Therefor our opponents victory must be through the use of inappropriate techniques and not the lack of our own ability to defend and out-maneuver them? We all want to do better at the game. Being the champions of adaptability, we are changing in order to better ourselves at the challenge. Some of us adapt our techniques and abilities in the game to improve how we do. Others are fighting a different kind of fight where you control how others perform so that they may fight in a manner to your liking. If one member of the group possesses a skill or technique that accelerates them ahead of the group, the others single that one out and attempt to degrade him. Who has better sportsmanship? I've been guilty of this. I've played someone and hated them based on how they play the game. In the company of others like me, I've ridiculed and passed judgments on people because they swayed or wiggled. Over time I've gotten to know some of those people and realized they aren't horrible souls out to ruin life for us all. Some of them are actually really decent chaps just like you and me. Who was really more black hearted? The person who played the game using techniques we don't like to fight against, or myself for making personal attacks against that person by labeling them a “desperate and cheat exploiter”? Today I fight some of those people and thoroughly enjoy the challenge they present to me in the game as well as their company. I am fortunate that they have forgiven me for my absurd judgments because they are just that nice. Granted, some people who happen to wiggle and sway are not nice people, but is it right for us to measure their character based on how they play and not who they are? What benefit comes to the JA by excluding people based on how they fight? We certainly won't get any better by limiting ourselves to only certain styles. Isn't it sad that to really sharpen our abilities we must look outside the JA? This community's very best fighters may have gotten their base in jk3home and wireplay, but they found the edge elsewhere. They faced against fighters who know no limits to their fighting styles. There were no admins to protect them. There was nothing that would get them better other than to grit their teeth and learn how to beat the “invincible exploiters”. And learn they did. I now realize that I was mistaken in thinking the JA was a place that could teach me how to fight in the rest of the jk3 world. Instead, it's a place that hides me from it. Those who support the status-quo of the JA's attitude towards “questionable” fighters are now making great efforts to bring some credibility to their accusations. They will claim that calling someone an exploiter has nothing to do with questioning someone's character. They will comment that the JA doesn't exclude anyone based on how they fight. They will claim they pocess the source code of the game, read excerpts of it as if it were a bible for right and wrong in how one plays the game, and list “rules” and how exploiters break them. They will say their opinions are based on some elusive fact. In their minds, there are two types of JA student: the sheep and the wolves. I personally don't see it that way, but just to mock them......woof! This comment was edited by Tido on Dec 15 2005 05:18am. |
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Jade Jedi - Retired 
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Here Here. _______________ *CLICKEH->Never risk the Fett Man|*Download my Saber here. Made by master craftsman Pink Floyd_Mintaka + his 2002 & 4000 comment's [Laz's 700th comment][BDKawika's 600th comment] & Owner of a TOWEL award!!|Master: Sared Padawans: Rage-Ball and Dante Eagle.|*Jade Jedi at The Jedi Academy Archives "There's only one Return and it's not of the King it's of the Jedi" Randal Clerks 2 The top 10 reasons why I procrastinate: 1. |
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