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Gradius - ex-Student  |
I just thought I'd draw this discussion away from Motrec's thread, so it can be discussed without the whole "this is a goodbye thread, leave it at that" notion. Allow me to explain a little about the JA, how it's changed over the years, the hiarchy, etc. When the JA first started 3 years ago, it was a rather small group when compared to it's size today. It consisted of about 100+ members. This was back when Jedi Outcast was the game to play. Each of it's few members knew that it was going to be something small, something like a family, where they'd get together to learn new things about the game and discuss their Star Wars obsessions. Back then were the Council, the leaders who ran every aspect of the JA, and the Trainers who were the best out of the group, and the best of friends with everyone. They still spent their time helping eachother out, and because of this they were highly respected within the community. So about 6 months pass, the JA is growing into a quite a large group, consisting of about 1000+ members. That's a large growth spurt in a small amount of time. Of course, along came the first troublemakers and general "asshats." These were the people who caused trouble just for the sake of making themselves feel better and proving a point, which they did if their point was that they were retards. More time passed, the community grew, yet the ranks were still highly respected. They still kicked/banned people without explaining to everyone else why, because everyone knew that it was for a good reason. I mean, to get banned from the JA, you'd have to be a moron, unless you're one of those people who do it differently like our friend Jacen Aratan did, in which case you can be excused from the moron list. Even more time passed, the community now consists of 6000+ members, going on it's 2 year anniversary. At this point a 3rd rank has been implimented, Knight. So now you have 5 JACs, 10 JATs, and 15 Knights, give or take a few on either side. That's 30 administrators to 6000+ students. Ok, easy. Even more troublemakers come strolling in between the beginning and now. Only at this point, there have been so many of them, general unwritten procedures on how to deal with them start coming into play. Classes are still going, but by now they have moved to Jedi Academy. The general respect between all of the JA's members seems to be dropping. But that's not the case. Which brings us to the present day. 10,000+ members, and only 12 administrators. How can 12 people, 7 with limited powers, control a community as big as 10,000 members? Not only that, but a large amount of them are tearing eachother's throats out, raising hell on the servers, disrespecting the staff that puts more manhours in than a Chinese sweatshop to keep the students happy. And on top of all of that, when some retard gets banned for repeatedly breaking our simple rules built from common sense, everyone revolts and demands reasons and removal of certain staff members. What exactly went wrong here? Was it the staff? Did they all of a sudden decide that people shouldn't have fun anymore? Did they say it's their way or the highway to begin with? Did they help put together an awesome set of rules just to piss people off? Highly unlikely. Or could it have been the students? Ah, now we're on to something. Could it have been those few who ruined the fun for the rest of us? Could it have been those students who went overboard with bending the rules and forced the hand of the JAK+ to become more strict? Could it have been those few who decided they were better than everyone and started trash talking the rest of us? Is that where the respect went? Yes. You see, the respect within the JA hasn't gone down the drain. It only seems that way because of a few of us students. They decide to make smartass comments and start flaming the rest without a care in the world of what the reaction might be. And that's when others start flaming back. It happens so often these days, it almost seems like the JA is in a huge depression. Staff members even get thrown into the mix of things, and sometimes say heartless things to those who laugh in our faces and call us children. Is being disrespectful to those who disrespect us uncalled for? Is it undeserved? Maybe through the eyes of people who think the JA is a professional community where it's staff members actually get paid, which they sure as hell don't. I'll be the first to admit that there are times when staff members go a little too far with their words and say things they shouldn't have said, but nobody is perfect. You cannot expect someone to be on the staff of a community full of 10,000+ members and be perfect 100% of the time. 90% of the time perhaps? No way. 70% of the time is what should be expected considering the attitudes of some students these days. But they give so much more than that. I always said this while I was on the staff. Most students never notice the good deads, they never notice the things the JAK+ do right. They never notice when people are given 2nd, 3rd, and 4th chances to correct their mistakes. They never notice when they do something good. All they see these days is the bad. Someone gets banned. All of a sudden it's a freaking debate about why, and the people who start the debate know damn well that the person who was banned deserved it. Students stalk the profiles and last comments of the staff members, hoping to find the slightest sign of aggression so they can shove it in their faces. They wait for a JAT to miss one class, and all of a sudden they're not doing their jobs. You, as students, do not realize how much pressure you put on your mentors. With 1 JAK+ to every 800 or so students, it's no wonder they crack every now and then. Some of you think things should be changed. I know for a fact that more JAK+ are in the making, so be patient on that one. Some think the ranks should be whiped clean, including the JACs. Are you freaking kidding me? We just did that, and it's worked beautifully for the most part. I was probably the one mistake they made since the purge, which they'll continue to deny, but we all know it's true. But I'm not there anymore, so what else are you complaining about? Buzz? Most of you don't even know Buzz. You see his few comments on the forums and profiles of others and think "What a dick." Didn't ever occur to you that those people deserved comments like that, did it? Yes, sometimes Buzz goes overboard, but so what. Grow up. Use your head for 1 minute. Think about how long he has been a JAC and has been saying and doing this stuff. Now think about what the other JACs are like. Doobie, rarely around, but isn't too much different from Buzz. Aron, not any different except the fact that he's Dutch and we all know Dutch people smell funny. Virtue, has bad teeth and likes cabbage, most of the time keeps his cool and talks his way out of a room with no doors, but he can also say things to people that the lot of you may see as undeserved. DJ Sith, a Texan. 'Nuff said. But why is the JA run by a bunch of hypocrites? Well, why do a bunch of hypocrites agree to the rules when they join the JA only to turn around and break them? You can't blame your leaders without first blaming yourself. Their "failure" is a result of your own. I put quotations around that word because I really don't believe they have failed at all. They have kept this place going as long as it has, they are not doing anything abnormal. And now some of you want to change the whole ranking system? You see this place as a clan, and a hard clan to get into? You think that the only people with voices and opinions that matter are the staff members? That's because you don't look into the past. You don't see that 90% of the suggestions and opinions people come up with have already been taken into consideration, tried, and failed on several occasions. If you think you can do better, go start your own Jedi Academy. People always talk about the past, and how things used to be. The only thing that has changed is the general attitude of the students, those who think they can run this place 100x better than those who have kept it going, those who think they are 100x better at playing the game, those who think they deserve ranks when others don't. Those are the types of people the JA has become flooded with, and those are they types of people who deserve whatever disrespect comes their way. </rant> _______________ - Proud padawan of Kueller. - We really are at the beginning of it all. The trick, of course, is to make sure we never find the end. - Bill Bryson, A Short History of Nearly Everything - <gen-e-sis-happy> Liek, you can train, liek, a n00b, but he'll just be a trained n00b... --> Wise words! - "daer SOE me likes your a company i am having your some money for letting me do stuff cos mes the best amd i do it all meself" - Slider |
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student 
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xAnAtOs, Quote: You, Moby, have been in the ja for a length of time that IS worth mentioning, you should know better than to go name-calling. You've been around the ja long enough to cotton on to notions of respect within the ja, yet your post does not indicate this. This is nowhere near the first time I've seen you post something like this and well you know it. The fact that you're doing so in defense of a friend is admirable, yet contrary to what the ja has taught all along. If you can't keep your posts civil without flaming somebody - don't post, it's that simple. Nice way to represent and remember me. You have not seen me make a negative post in well over a year, and YOU know it. Thanks. As for the rest of this, all i see is new blood coming in here and pissing on people whom I respect. Yeah, three years I have been here. Yeah the JA teaches to respect your fellow JAS. Yeah, I have been caught with my pants down more times then I care to remember. But here is the deal, Xan... I am SICK and tired of the same old shyte going on around here. You people with nothing better to do then sit on your pedestal and pretend your looking out for the best interest of the JA. When all your really doing is identifying something that gives you the cliche reason to make your voice heard. You don't care one way or another, but you know that you can pretend to feel "offended" or "utterly shocked" at the actions of a "fellow JAS". OH GOOD LORD, HOW CAN IT BE SO?!, (freak'n disgusting) GIVE ME A BREAK. YOU DONT FOOL ME OR ANYONE WITH HALF A MIND. If thats really all it took to offend you so much, then no wonder you sit at home in front of computer creating a world of your own drama. Cause God Knows you could never handle anything IMPORTANT in RL. AND JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION, If I see someone I respect getting pissed on in the forums, I WILL BE SPEAKING UP. I won't sit here and try to figure out WWTJAWMTD. (What would the JA Want Me To Do) Those who believe the JA is founded on principles, of making you a better person, of showing you right from wrong and how to treat people. Well thats all fine and dandy for those who need that, but I have a different cause these days to even be here. Friendships. Thats All. Lets face it, without friendships and relationship building, this community would probably be gone already. How many people are on the servers right now? Exactly. So you see, the Jedi Academy is important. For different reasons for different people. And for me, it is because I have great friends here. Some of my very best friends are here, you all know who you are. I Refuse to stand by and watch them get blasted. Not gonna happen anymore. Sorry, and if someone was blasting me, I would hope my friends would stick up for me too. You don't? FLAMING? Sure, if you want to call it that. I call it putting up a stop sign and standing behind it. Quote: If you can't keep your posts civil without flaming somebody - don't post, it's that simple. Right, I am also wondering why you pulled me out of the long list of people who had something to say. Okay, done wondering. I dont care actually Xan, you have a problem with me? Go tell 911@thejediacademy.net, but NEVER tell me what to do, again. -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. |
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bono_bob - Student |
Im sorry I couldn't resist saying this ( and to some poeple it might actaully be contructive, don't worry its not flame though ) "There is no emotion, there is only peace" _______________ "Darkness is simply the absence of Light" "Is it not easier to snuff out the light completely than to make no shadow or darknes at all and create pure light?" "Is there a limit to Light?" - Jawa Jedi from a galaxy far far way of the one Lucas describes ( not in that galaxy ) |
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SaZ - Student 
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i suggest you forgeting the rules for a while and rememering the idea of JA - peace. el vee - if you think buzz is braking someone , well ok maybe thats true. but you arent makin this better with all your crap. we are (students,JAK+) to make this place as peaceful as we can... and you arent even trying to do that... chill out. everyone. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana This comment was edited by SaZ on Oct 11 2005 05:46am. |
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El Vee For - Student 
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Quote: Vee For I think you need to calm down a bit. OKAY I NEED TO BEE SUPER CLEAR!!! BUZZ IS DOING A GOOD JOB AT CRACKING THE WHIP, HE IS NOT DOING A GREAT JOB AT FOLLOWING THE RULES HE ENFORCES!!! You're making this place to be way more serious than it really is. We're all here to have fun, remember?Buzz is the guy who enforces the rules because thats what he's good at and because I do a poor job at it. I'm a big pushover. Give me a smily and I'll agree to anything you say. Buzz on the otherhand doesn't take no mess. He's a hardass because we need a hardass to keep this place from degenerating into chaos. I've talked to him though about how he handles certain cases though and he'll improve a bit. But overall I'm pleased with the job he's doing. He's the "bad guy" so he gets the lion's share of the crap around here. There are some good points raised in this topic. Keep 'em coming. k, and he and I be talkin, he has my respect and any effort he makes to be more the "man" that he can be, he and I are going to get along, fine. _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” |
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DJ Sith - Jedi Council 
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Vee For I think you need to calm down a bit. You're making this place to be way more serious than it really is. We're all here to have fun, remember? Buzz is the guy who enforces the rules because thats what he's good at and because I do a poor job at it. I'm a big pushover. Give me a smily and I'll agree to anything you say. Buzz on the otherhand doesn't take no mess. He's a hardass because we need a hardass to keep this place from degenerating into chaos. I've talked to him though about how he handles certain cases though and he'll improve a bit. But overall I'm pleased with the job he's doing. He's the "bad guy" so he gets the lion's share of the crap around here. There are some good points raised in this topic. Keep 'em coming. _______________ My car is made of Nerf. |
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MOTREC - Student 
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well this seems to be the right thread to speak ones mind so here goes nothin... I agree with gradius to a point on all things he said having been a jat myself at one point. I also know why gradius lost his mind too i was a victim of that same illness. All that aside and done with i am a better person for having taken on the role of jak then jat for one reason and one reason only and that is the fact that i got to see over a thousand people blossom into some really awesome and formidable ja gamers. i also can stand back and say "i helped that person" about alot of people here at the ja. ive had a ton of fun with a majority of the ja members (oh wait that goes beyond your one thing MO) to dam bad its my soap box and im speaking my piece. as far as ranks go...if you dont make knight, try harder to set the example that rank members are held to. you dont have to be a stuffy assknob, just be nice to everyone and always willing to help no matter who asks you and even when you dislike them alot. you want to change the ja? start by changing yourself in the sense that picking something apart is NOT constructive, however, offerring suggestions to those who have the power to act on them would BE constructive. we all have a good person inside of us, lets introduce that person to the ja and let THAT person be a member of the ja and not the snide, antisocial, quick to jump down a mofo's throat person. to sum this point up in a word, RESPECT! know it, live it, love it. ok now the part everyone has been waiting for, the dirt. (note to all* this is MOTREC'S first hand knowledge and opinions) since this is grad's post lets start with gradius. well gradius continually takes incessant poundings with the whole "your mom" thing. i dont know about you guys but i have to say grad is a man of awesome character to forgive those who have been guilty of doing this to him (me being one of those who have done it) me personally? i would have snapped and done a jay and silent bob on the people. LOVE to you grad for being a MAN amongst small minded boys (me included). buzz....hmmm lets see. thats not so hard, ill start with bans since that is what this is stemming from. first off i have to say i have MY OWN gripes about buzz but i save them for pming him for if you cant say something to the person, rather than about the person, then shut your hole and go hide like the weiner whiner you are. ok back to bannings, first heaven forbid someone should have to own up for acting like a complete dumbass, i mean really who deserves that? shame on you buzz for keeping the asshat patrol at bay like you do. oh and your a jerk for doing the deeds of others who request it of you since you ARENT the only person to request full bans of people. MEANING: members give the evidence of wrong doing to buzz since, yeah, he is the enforcer of the ja. i curse your name, buzz, for the wrongs you have committed by not giving explicit yet COMPLETELY EMBARRASSING details to the friends of the convicted so that they may talk crap about YOU and the banned person. And again buzz i smite you for... well just about everything else you havent done yet. the one thing i do have a real problem with though is plz do lead by example and not hammer our young yet naive students, they know not what they do for they are the innocent, ALWAYS. :/ ive been waiting to hash on virtue for a while now. you bastard! how dare you try to make this a better place by using complacency (h/e you spell the dam word) and understanding to resolve problems i mean really man your not fooling anyone with you calm demeanor and your great looks, i see right through your little scheme mr. lets see, lets see, who next, ah yes how about the new batch of knights and masters, all of you should have your souls ripped from your body and sent straight under my desk for thinking you could actually follow by your predecessors example and encourage students to hold their tongue when they have every reason not to cuz it shows tact and character. and how dare you ever even think of teaching someone how to play this game and do it for the love of teaching. btw note to students *you thankless ass sores rarely pay any tribute to the guys who try their hardest to make sure you dont embarrass yourself playing this game or in public if that lesson applies *end note. you ranked members of the ja should all have your nether regions stripped of hair via duct tape for even bothering become anyone heres friend. FOR SHAME RANKED MEMBERS OF THE JA!!!HOW DARE YOU!!! the above are true and factual experiences and notes from my time here (which i hope will not be short) at the ja. as for those who are thinking about posting on the forums (whether a ranked member does it or not) for gods sake use your head and YOUR HEART when you post in kind to another post. even when what they say is less than favorable. BE THE BIGGER MAN! by this i mean if you cant think of nothing constructive to say then plz DONT POST! save the drama for your mama.(wow is that ever cliche) MO loves you guys... burn rubber not your soul... MO |
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xAnAtOs - Student |
You know, honestly, I think El Vee has made some really good points, especially in regards to the lack of trainers we have in the ja, despite the fierce opposition he has faced. It's been around 6 months since the mass wipeout of the ranks, yet we only received FOUR trainers? The process is undoubtedly slow for whatever reason. I can't imagine what has been going on for 6 months. We're continually promised additional trainers etc, but the only one we've had is _3th, amidst 3 demotions/cases of stepping down. With regards to Buzz, all I'm going to say is that the jacs are supposed to be the figures of leadership in the academy and should be setting the standards of behaviour and conduct before all else, no matter what their job entails. You, Moby, have been in the ja for a length of time that IS worth mentioning, you should know better than to go name-calling. You've been around the ja long enough to cotton on to notions of respect within the ja, yet your post does not indicate this. This is nowhere near the first time I've seen you post something like this and well you know it. The fact that you're doing so in defense of a friend is admirable, yet contrary to what the ja has taught all along. If you can't keep your posts civil without flaming somebody - don't post, it's that simple. ...And I just refreshed the page and I see another three posts..great. Well to address those, I don't really know what Buzz has done to earn such a grudge from El Vee either, but whatever. If it's do to do with soldiers and war and Eminem then I'm out of it. _______________ Brother to Luke Skywalker and (SKX) Dark Blade 
Lag Brother to Acey Spadey 
Jools is my best friend. 
<Henkes> nebody feeling like abusing me with a lightsaber?|+Smilykrazy grabs Gradius, beats the living CRAP out of him, then throws him into a huge vat of ACID |
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bono_bob - Student |
Ok.. I do have a bit more to say. Look some may agree with what all Gradius says but think perhaps they think they can do a beter job of a knight that others.. blah blah.. well unfortunately the council members don't have mind reading powers, if they did the staff would probally be completely different cause man if someone wanted to read people's minds just to find out the best for a position... well I would say Id be a bit surprised, I my self Hardly play on the JA server my self, and would not look forward to a responsability such as being a knight, of course if I was asked and I had time, I might consider it, but no way on earth I desire it with my heart, becauase I personally look at the position as anyone I think should.. a spot of responsability, not power. IF you can own the richest company and keep giving most your direct profits away and own less than the average person.. I would give you hero cookie because personally... I would like to say I could do that, but that would be arrogant of my self and I know once I get such a position I would such a sa millionare, or an admin, etc. I would not be perfect. It is only because of my knowledge that people can not be perfect is that I humbly respect admins on just about any community even if they are jerks, none of use can read minds, we can all judge what appears, and alot of us hide alot and alot of us flame alot... _______________ "Darkness is simply the absence of Light" "Is it not easier to snuff out the light completely than to make no shadow or darknes at all and create pure light?" "Is there a limit to Light?" - Jawa Jedi from a galaxy far far way of the one Lucas describes ( not in that galaxy ) |
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bono_bob - Student |
I have one thing to say to Gradius' post.... AMEN! _______________ "Darkness is simply the absence of Light" "Is it not easier to snuff out the light completely than to make no shadow or darknes at all and create pure light?" "Is there a limit to Light?" - Jawa Jedi from a galaxy far far way of the one Lucas describes ( not in that galaxy ) This comment was edited by bono_bob on Oct 10 2005 10:50pm. |
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Buzz - Student 
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You know El Vee I'm getting kind of tired of this. Why don't you set your bong down for 5 minutes. I'm a tyrant, I'm some evil power abusing admin that ruins everyone's fun, I'm a cancer. But I'm the one going around throwing out insults at people. I don't know what I did to you to actually give you such a grudge against me but you have an unreasonable one. I've been letting you rant and rave here. I've let others too. But we don't allow disagreement or criticism of how we run the academy right? Even though that's what your doing, all the while throwing underhanded statements at me. What are you doing right now that allows you to write long posts on our forums. You must not be that busy at the moment. And in the time this afternoon you have been posting all this garbage, I have seen wireplay full of students playing. There is also a class that is going on right at this minute. There will be another one coming up a little later today. I never see you on the servers. I never see you in IRC. I doubt you really hop on TeamSpeak. You don't utilize even half of what is here. I try to definitely limit what I say to people here. Why don't you take the time to read what's going on before you decide that I'm wrong to call someone an idiot for implying that our soldiers are the worst abusers of human rights out there, or saying someone is ignorant(that's a lack of knowledge by the way, not as an insult), and foolish for thinking eminem is a great source for political insight. Maybe I cross over the line sometimes, but I do my best to avoid it, and I don't go off on the people that proceed to snap back at me. You want to try doing what I have to do? I'm not here to be the nice JAC that makes you feel all happy and will say yes to all your requests. I do my best to keep this place at a level just above complete chaos. I end up doing about 90% of the bans and warnings here. I've either banned someone's friend or have let someone continue to play here that people feel should be gone. Almost any way you look at it, I'm bound to piss someone off, and I'm likely to hear about it too. I've been called plenty of names, by current and former members. I've been told people want me gone. I've been told that there are groups of people actively conspiring to get me to leave the academy one way or another, and it wasn't because they felt I was being hypocritical. I've also probably butted heads with most of the people you see telling you to shut up. If you think its because they don't want to kiss up to me then you don't know enough about the situations or how I feel about people who suck up. Go on the server and play if that's what you say you are here for. Because right now all you seem to be doing is throwing insults my way. I wouldn't want to accuse you of hypocrisy though. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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El Vee For - Student 
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Quote: I have no intention of retiring, yes its a video game which is why I editted the post you quoted. The comments in that post are directed internally. You can follow the advice if you like, but the words are meant for me.
Quote: The JA isn't socalistic! It's communist! No, it's national socialist! Never! It's a democracy! YOu know what [/slapinface yer right, why bother trying to change something that cannot change.Gawd, stop taking it so seriously.  You know what, all is well in the JA forget everything, smile and enjoy the ignorance k peace Thanks, will do! Now go add a [Ret.] tag onto your name and quit whining if you don't like the JA. That way, while you're gone, we can laugh about how "retiring" from a video game is silly! But yeah. If you feel the massive need to whine about things, whine about things that are important. The JA is just an internet gaming community. If you don't like how things are, there's always your REAL LIFE, y'know? I can clearly see that when once faces such opposition that one must simply back down. I do this now. While I will continue to think of Buzz as the worst kind of hypocrit, until he can practice what he preaches, that doesn't change the reason why I am here. To train. I see that we have a fiercely loyal group of young adults here. While you and I don't see eye to eye on how a community is run, I wouldn't actively attempt to defame or disparage any of you, unless you have managed it on your own and I am merely pointing it out. I can also see that my argument for a better future is falling on deaf ears, or in this case blind eyes, I will stop. Honestly whats in for me anyways, nothing. I can't shape the future of this place, I tried to open some eyes about what is going to happen. My experiences aside communities like this do need to adapt, how this community chooses to do so is clearly beyond my influence. While I am very offended to being called a "whining little jerk" mostly cuz I am in my 30's, well spoken, with above average intelligence (poor spelling aside) that does love these games. I have a very rich real life complete with children a wife a couple cars and so on. I do choose to play a game that has a community attached to it. A community that has enriched me. My boggle remains the same: Where is this place going? Not where it has been. _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” |
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AvaloN - Student 
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chill m8's. |
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El Vee For - Student
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Quote: El Vee For, Wow, did I just get flamed. Cuz now I am:If you think your helping the situation, your not. It is people like you that Gradius is talking about. People who want to dwell on bad and not good. You have not been here for any length of time that is even worth mentioning. You have no clue what this community has done for TONS of people. Buzz does what he does. I am glad we have him. Enough said there. Don't like how things run? Think the JA Sux0rz? Get lost then, make your self disappear. You won't hurt our feelings, DONT WORRY. I would much rather have people who want to help this place and appreciate the work we all put into it then a whining little jerk who wears his ass for a hat. If I am being too subtle for you, what I am saying is contribute and have fun or GET LOST AND STFU. /me hugs gradius Oh and welcome back JJ, good to see you. -DM- a whining little jerk thats three accusations I feel very special that I could invoke such a spirited and intellectual response from such well established and respected individual as thee. As I mentioned before, Jaiko asked me to voice my concern. Mo asked me to move my rebuttals to another thread. What you are asking is...unintelligible. You want I should vanish? So that you don't have to read my posts anymore? Don't check this thread and you get half of what you want. I read Grads post, I know what he is saying, and yet I don't see how I am the problem. Buzz has been a bit of a tyrant, to me IMHO not cool for an admin to a community. I don't think that it is fair for any leader to operate out side of the organizational rules, especially since this admin upholds said rules. the "community" or "academy" has goals of providing training to anyone who wants it, I challenge this goal since the only active trainers are only available at times that don't fit my schedule. While I have never suggested that a trainer should be made available to me and only me, I have expressed that there is a need for some trainers that could service the rest of the globe and not just the Atlantic seaboard. _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” This comment was edited by El Vee For on Oct 10 2005 10:16pm. |
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student 
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El Vee For, If you think your helping the situation, your not. It is people like you that Gradius is talking about. People who want to dwell on bad and not good. You have not been here for any length of time that is even worth mentioning. You have no clue what this community has done for TONS of people. Buzz does what he does. I am glad we have him. Enough said there. Don't like how things run? Think the JA Sux0rz? Get lost then, make your self disappear. You won't hurt our feelings, DONT WORRY. I would much rather have people who want to help this place and appreciate the work we all put into it then a whining little jerk who wears his ass for a hat. If I am being too subtle for you, what I am saying is contribute and have fun or GET LOST AND STFU. /me hugs gradius Oh and welcome back JJ, good to see you. -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. This comment was edited by DaRtH-MoBiLiTy on Oct 10 2005 09:19pm. |
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Quote: The JA isn't socalistic! It's communist! No, it's national socialist! Never! It's a democracy! YOu know what [/slapinface yer right, why bother trying to change something that cannot change.Gawd, stop taking it so seriously. You know what, all is well in the JA forget everything, smile and enjoy the ignorance k peace Thanks, will do! Now go add a [Ret.] tag onto your name and quit whining if you don't like the JA. That way, while you're gone, we can laugh about how "retiring" from a video game is silly! But yeah. If you feel the massive need to whine about things, whine about things that are important. The JA is just an internet gaming community. If you don't like how things are, there's always your REAL LIFE, y'know? |
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JP - Academy Pimp 
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Quote: I will agree that we the student, the masses, are employees, not customers. According to your view we should just march along and follow the rules and never complain just try to enjoy ourselves. Right? That sounds like socialism, now I was asked to express what I felt could use some tweaking around here by Jaiko, and i have done it. While your view of the academy is cynical its accurate as well. Maybe that should change! I still believe that if we, the students and that includes you JP, would be happier, overall, if we felt like we were part of something instead of being administered to. If things are as you say, and we are employees, then this isn't a community at all. It a business and what the product of that business is unclear. Which again makes me sad, cuz I thought we were part of something, not a number in a machine. 1st of all i totally agree with JJ...take stuff WAY to seriouslly, 2nd the example was meant exactly how i said not bound to the other parameters of employee/staff relationship, the fact is we are part of something, or I would have been here for 3 years...holy crap...i just hit 3 years here this week...w00t PARTY!!...anyways lol...the point of this place is to learn some JK, make friends, have fun! i could go on with the rest but i really dont feel like it...i already over my words per waste of time post already...anyways...in typically JP fasion, AHHH PEACE!!! _______________ Come on now, every Generation X boy wanted to be Luke Skywalker. Is it because he was a whiney farm boy from some backwater hack planet? No, it's because he was a FREAKING JEDI. He could block lasers with his lightsaber. He could levitate droids & rocks & crap with his mind. Come on, he choked two pig dudes with just a simple gesture. He cut off Darth Vader's hand and kicked him down a flight of stairs. He got his @$$ zapped by lightning from the geezer Emperor, stood up and said "s'at all you got b!tc#??" |
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El Vee For - Student
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Quote: The JA isn't socalistic! It's communist! No, it's national socialist! Never! It's a democracy! YOu know what [/slapinface yer right, why bother trying to change something that cannot change.Gawd, stop taking it so seriously. You know what, all is well in the JA edit: note to self: forget everything, smile and enjoy the ignorance k peace _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” This comment was edited by El Vee For on Oct 10 2005 09:20pm. |
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The JA isn't socalistic! It's communist! No, it's national socialist! Never! It's a democracy! Gawd, stop taking it so seriously. |
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El Vee For - Student
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Quote: You have an interesting point of view, duely noted.3) respect your customers, even if you disagree with them. This isnt a retail store...we dont loose business if you dont play with us...your not a customer, your a employee, you follow the rules or your fired, and staff is just management, who you follow or you dont get paid(have fun here anymore), thats the biggest problem with todays students, the staff is here to help you, but they dont owe you anything if you act like a douche...i been here for ages, ive seen all these periods of the JA come and go, and you mr el for vee whatever ur name is, along with all of you who think the staff is responsible everything bad that happens in the JA need to look at yourself, cause if each and every one of you would just convince yourself to be good each and every day, dont flame, dont start trouble and just go around just trying to have good clean, saber clashing, parry crazy, OMFG H4X fun, the JA would be better for everyone...so go out there and make sure to lame Virty for me next time you see him... (and now you have and excuse...just say JP TOLD ME SO!!) I will agree that we the student, the masses, are employees, not customers. According to your view we should just march along and follow the rules and never complain just try to enjoy ourselves. Right? That sounds like socialism, now I was asked to express what I felt could use some tweaking around here by Jaiko, and i have done it. While your view of the academy is cynical its accurate as well. Maybe that should change! I still believe that if we, the students and that includes you JP, would be happier, overall, if we felt like we were part of something instead of being administered to. If things are as you say, and we are employees, then this isn't a community at all. It a business and what the product of that business is unclear. Which again makes me sad, cuz I thought we were part of something, not a number in a machine. _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” |
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JP - Academy Pimp
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Quote: 3) respect your customers, even if you disagree with them. This isnt a retail store...we dont loose business if you dont play with us...your not a customer, your a employee, you follow the rules or your fired, and staff is just management, who you follow or you dont get paid(have fun here anymore), thats the biggest problem with todays students, the staff is here to help you, but they dont owe you anything if you act like a douche...i been here for ages, ive seen all these periods of the JA come and go, and you mr el for vee whatever ur name is, along with all of you who think the staff is responsible everything bad that happens in the JA need to look at yourself, cause if each and every one of you would just convince yourself to be good each and every day, dont flame, dont start trouble and just go around just trying to have good clean, saber clashing, parry crazy, OMFG H4X fun, the JA would be better for everyone...so go out there and make sure to lame Virty for me next time you see him... (and now you have and excuse...just say JP TOLD ME SO!!) _______________ Come on now, every Generation X boy wanted to be Luke Skywalker. Is it because he was a whiney farm boy from some backwater hack planet? No, it's because he was a FREAKING JEDI. He could block lasers with his lightsaber. He could levitate droids & rocks & crap with his mind. Come on, he choked two pig dudes with just a simple gesture. He cut off Darth Vader's hand and kicked him down a flight of stairs. He got his @$$ zapped by lightning from the geezer Emperor, stood up and said "s'at all you got b!tc#??" |
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El Vee For - Student
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Yeah he has a point. it will never justify Buzz's "delusions of granduer" <---isn't it fun to quote the movies. I continue to wait for training to become available to me. I would prefer to be in a class but one on one is what I can get then I will take it, no bones about it. as for "fixin the JA.net" change nothing, except Buzz, if you wish, my genuine concern is for the future of the community. There may not be another JK game, the RPG's KOTOR and KOTOR II are the direction that star wars is moving in for the future. I would really like to see a JK 4, but I am not yet, and it seems unlikely. This is sad for me cuz I really like the saber games. I want the JA to last for another 3 years, but since we only have 2 active trainers and "10,000" members I don't think the current system is working?!?! Need more trainers, yeah I know you said yer gettin to it and my complaint was never about that. You have an abusive admin, Buzz. I won't complain about him again, unless he comes at me then you will hear about it again. TO ME HE IS A CANCER!!! He makes the JAC's look bad, cuz he is an example of all who carry the title. I am sure he has had a rough go at it and obviously hasn't handled it well. I work, in a way, in customer service and (while I understand that this whole site and everyone commited to it is a hobby) there is a better way to give fair and equal service. Buzz just needs about 5 minutes of training, 1) learn to count to 20 before responding to someone you know in your heart is a complete retard 2) practice what you preach (quit flaming flamers) this is very important cuz this is what makes you look childish, immature and in general a putz 3) respect your customers, even if you disagree with them. Do these things and we can be friendly, and yes I am telling you what to do, please. _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” |
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Nice post Grad And I totally agree, except for the "the Dutch smell" part _______________ "We make a living out of what we get, we make a life out of what we give." |
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Azrael - Student 
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After a post as huge as that there's almost nothing for anyone to say. Grad is absolutely right. One of the things all these troublemakers are forgetting is that the word of the executive JA members is law. They aren't paid for this, yet they managed to create a wonderful community like this because they they wanted to. So if you don't like the way this Academy is run, then leave. Because if you CHOOSE to disobey the rules several times, then you honestly don't deserve to be a part of this fine academy. On an interesting sidenote, reading Grad's post was kind of like reading the history of any civilization. Things start off small and peaceful, but the more people you have, the more troublemakers you have. And yet the JA has still withstood it. When I first found this Academy, I was amazed at what they had built. A strong community of friends, people who were willing to help each other out.....this was the perfect community. Even though there were troublemakers, the Jedi Academy always dealt with them accordingly and still stands strong. The Jedi Academy is one of the strongest groups of friendly people on the net, and after three years it still stands strong. All members must remember that they are part of this. Each member has done their share to be part of this academy, and although some may lose their way, what has been built will never crumble. _______________ The first step to knowing everything is knowing that you know nothing. The first step to knowing nothing is thinking that you know everything. If I'm going to suffer, I might as well suffer in a way that makes someone else happy. Never argue with an idiot. They'll lower you to their level and beat you with experience. |
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JP - Academy Pimp
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Quote: Aron, not any different except the fact that he's Dutch and we all know Dutch people smell funny. Virtue, has bad teeth and likes cabbage, most of the time keeps his cool and talks his way out of a room with no doors, but he can also say things to people that the lot of you may see as undeserved. DJ Sith, a Texan. 'Nuff said. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH and as for the rest of it, as a former staff member...AMEN BROTHA!...great speech man, oh and you just proved yourself wrong, you did deserve to be a JAM,just gave us another example why... *dap* JP _______________ Come on now, every Generation X boy wanted to be Luke Skywalker. Is it because he was a whiney farm boy from some backwater hack planet? No, it's because he was a FREAKING JEDI. He could block lasers with his lightsaber. He could levitate droids & rocks & crap with his mind. Come on, he choked two pig dudes with just a simple gesture. He cut off Darth Vader's hand and kicked him down a flight of stairs. He got his @$$ zapped by lightning from the geezer Emperor, stood up and said "s'at all you got b!tc#??" |
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SilkMonkey - Distributor of Cold Ones 
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This is the first really long post that I didnt just skim...and I'm glad I didn't. Good stuff fellow bum-master. Take it easy. _______________ |-HK-47 -SilkMonkey: You are receiving a warning for being_too_sexy. If you do not stop, action will be taken against you.|| (11:13:43) � Virtue dances for Silk ||Smiling owner of Smilykrazy's 6000th comment =) ||Odan Wei's Proud Big Brother|| Janus is my official TaruTaru Cuddly Animal Type Person. ||(@Virtue) Or you could just be a man and set fire to your genitals.....you won't fall asleep for days after that.......trust me.||Thomas Skywalker er for sexy for sitt eget beste!!!!| Not changing sig until the JA loosens up. (Started: Aug 31, 2005) |
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