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A note on play style.. -DJ Sith - Jan 15 01:01am |
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I was browsing the forums and came across this very cool link. It's not JK2 related, but translates well to JK2 playing style. Ulic Belouve and I were discussing this along with the recent "attacking while your opponent is knocked down" controvercy. We feel that if its a legal move (and wasn't scripted or cheated) then it's fair game in a duel. Just like how you can call "no kicks" before your duel you can set other rules as well. Honor comes from abiding by yours and your opponents rules. What are your thoughts on this? |
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SirBizNatch - Student 
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its basically your opinion on how you want to fight. on one hand, your a jedi and want to fight honorably, no dirty tricks. but if you were fightin someone much harder than you and while he was on the ground is ur only chance to win, you should take it to win. how u fight really depends on how much u want to win. if ur jus practicin or havin fun, u'd hold bac. out to win, ud go for the kill. no matter what ur view, i think that Ulic's tolerance lessen was right(even though he kinda scared me wit the whole "I can knife fight real well in real life" comment  . jus dont complain about tactics. _______________ Personal body guard to teh 1337 Jacen Aratan! Midbie Council Memeber||Member of the Almighty FiZZsters |
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Preadator Kallata'n - Student 
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My views? Well personally i tend to stand back when a guy gets knocked down - i dont like to be a "backstabber" (in the sense of hitting a guy when he's down, not literal backstabbing  )
however, if my opponent decides to use the move that i've been so easily avoiding against me, i tend to retaliate with the same move at some point (if i actually survive, which i usually do  )
so really for me its more of a "death before dishonour" thing, and i suppose there are a few others out there that share this view with me... _______________ ««¤¤¤{{PREÅÐÅT¤R ka¦¦ata'n}}¤¤¤»» Founder of RSPCT (The Royal Society of the Prevention of Cruelty to Toasters) |
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Bubu - Hubbub 
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addicted... yeah, that's an understatement!
i fully agree with you guys. my goal in the academy is not to get better on publics, since i practically stopped playing on publics when i joined the JA, but my goal is to get better here. and you're right rahn and aeth, what makes me stay here is the atmosphere, and the knowledge that there is always more to learn from other members. i say: LONG LIVE THE JEDI ACADEMY!! _______________ make install -not war |
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Rahn del Sol - Student 
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Aeth, one thing I'll add to that...
Some people stay here for the casual environment, knowing they don't have to compete... And some folks stay because they know there will always be a challenge for them here, regardless of the rules of engagement. I've been playing a lot of public duel servers lately, some force, some no force. I find myself getting on a lot of 9 or 10 win streaks before someone finally beats me...and I'm the only one who consistently does so. I've learned so much here that I'm actually turning out better than the average public on your average server. After winning 20-30 duels to your opponent's 4 or 5, you get bored. But I know there are always going to be people here at the Academy who can beat me, and I can always work harder to try to out-saber them. Because I swear, just as soon as I think I've beaten everyone there is to beat on the server, someone like L-Rod connects and I know my win/loss ratio is about to take a hit
But that's okay...because every time I fight that guy (or someone else of higher skill), I come away thinking "I should've done this when he did that"...and THAT is truly why we hang around here as much as we do. Well, that and we're all addicted. _______________ http://steamcommunity.com/id/citizen059 |
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Aeth S'kray - Retired 
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interesting article that is... well, i've something to say:
the original goal of the JA was to prepare the guys to fight on publics. but how many students you saw leaving the JA after "completing" their training? some went to clans... some went to RL. but did anyone went to the publics? no. why? maybe becuase you never stop learning, aka never beeing ready? dont think so. most peeps are good enough to compete in publics. no, i think the reason is because we already FOUND our goal, the higher level of playing. and i'm not sure that a higher level means deep knowledge of combos etc. i say it's the attitude, the atmosphere that surrounds the JA. people come here to learn, and they all have this goal in common, so they get welded together! and THAT's what i call high level playing: a good team atmosphere, where everybody helps anyone to seek for one common goal. in our case, the goal to improove. and another thing: what feels better, beating somebody while lieing on floor, knowing he failed doing his counter... ...or let somebody stand up, turn out his saber and bow to you deeply. not a "common bow", a rule that you kinda have to follow. it's a spontanous bow, a "true" bow, full of thankfulness. i'd advice you to try it... it feels better, "higher" than anything else. you know you did something GOOD and maybe victory will become less important 
i think here comes the difference between a good player... and a good human. the article forgets something (IMO): if you are too fixed on winning... you will always want to win. you wont have fun loosing. you will become egoistic and arrogant. and you will have to find excuses for not winning
to come to an end: i wont mind if someone kills me after a saberlock. but my attetion will be called by those who wont attack. beside, i figured out some lock-tactics bubu, its MORE than pushing two buttons!  and i dont talk about kicks, attack after a kick is 100% legal, i think. _______________ Aeth S'kray *June 2002 +September 2003 |
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Jigsawcity - Ex-Student 
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knockem when theyr downn. U took em down an iz bad skill/luck that they got taken down. so u have earned ur right to kickem inda 
 derz no good or bad. only power an those too weak to seize it. _______________ Turmoil, pain, dissention... Can you feel it? That is why I am here. It is you who take my hand, and lift me up above those who envy. This comment was edited by Jigsawcity on Jan 15 2003 07:34pm. |
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AvALON D`Kana - Retired 
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I feel I must add something here. One of the main reasons the academy was founded was to teach and prepare the students for gaming on the public servers. I go on public servers every now and then, and if you know this, you should know that they dont show mercy regardless of whether your standing or on the ground. Unfortunatly you cant just hold your saber to the guys neck like Kyle did to the bartender, but if your on the ground you need to learn how to get out as fast as you can, because when you're out there on the pubs thats what you will need to do. You need to expect any tactic they will use against you. This isnt about cheating or winning, its about learning what you need to know to keep yourself alive out there. This doesnt mean that JA rules should be broken of course, because those are there to make sure things dont get out of control.Those are just my thoughts of course. _______________ The World has changed.I feel it in the water...I feel it in the earth...I smell it in the air. Much that once was is lost...For none now live who remember it. This comment was edited by AvALON D`Kana on Jan 15 2003 11:38am. |
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ioshee - Student 
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That was a well-written article but I’m not sure why the author said it would be hard to believe. He had excellent points but his whole writing was clouded with emotion. We all know what emotion can lead to I think he was right about his description of a “scrub” but he seems to think that being one means you are new or don’t understand the game. The whole Academy would be a “scrub” according to his definition because it is basically extra rules added to an existing game. But that does not mean that the people here are unskilled or new by any means. If you just wanted to get points for kills you would run around shooting or sabering people (and get kicked out of the Academy) to “win”. But the Academy has added a few rules to the game to make itself the Academy. Isn’t that what adding a role playing aspect to an existing game is all about? Making up rules that people agree upon? That is why I have so much fun here. So it all comes back to what has been said a thousand times on these forums: If you want to play by slightly different rules just agree about them before the duel.
So I think there are three types of players here all of which are equally deserving of respect. Those that come here to learn how to kick butt on the pubs (my original intention) and those who enjoy the whole community here and all the aspects of it and never care if they play on the public servers again (what I am turning into.) The third is probably the majority and that is a healthy combination of the first two. _______________ One of the Belouve boys This comment was edited by ioshee on Jan 15 2003 10:58am. |
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Rahn del Sol - Student 
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My question is, what is more satisfying to you?
Never doing anything you would consider "dishonorable", in the strict Jedi roleplaying sense? Or learning how to use these "dishonorable" tactics, and then learning how to counter them so that they no longer become effective against you...thus making you a better player?
That is, as the author said, the whole reason you play these games in this fashion...to LEARN and IMPROVE. When I fight someone, I want them to come at me with everything they've got. I play on other servers besides the Academy ones, and people there are often ruthless. I want to learn to be able to defend myself against that, and I can't if everyone is trying to be too nice. Don't get me wrong...respecting your fellow students is a big key of this place succeeding. But gosh-dangit, in a fight or a duel, don't hold back! You can't learn if you never push yourself to the limits. _______________ http://steamcommunity.com/id/citizen059 |
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Bubu - Hubbub 
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not cheap... what's the difference between pressing one button repeatedly and pressing 2 buttons repeatedly.. i don't see where the "cheapness" may lie. this whole "cheap moves" issue is getting a bit out of hand, no? _______________ make install -not war This comment was edited by Bubu on Jan 15 2003 08:34am. |
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Kell Tainer - Ex-Student |
On a related note, do you guys consider it 'cheap' to use 'force push' in saber-lock in a duel?
My thoughts are that if the game allows u to do it u should do it, but alas, some pepole get annoyed  |
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Iori Yagami - Student 
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I know a few scrubs who claim that even using force and sabre throw is cheap (or lacking in skill)!!! (in a duel and not laming). They even have the nerve to say they're ready to take the JAK trial.., whahahahaha
some people are funny (or bitter) in defeat? no? _______________ May the ping be with you |
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Silencio - Student 
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my opinion is also kinda mixed. On a JA server, I play "honourable", but in a tourney or something that was more than casual practise, I would play to win. _______________ Second-in-command of the mighty FiZZsters |
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Lightning Rod - Retired 
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Well i'll be honest, if a player gets knocked down, the 1st thought on my mind is to take that advantage. Its just that sometimes the game just doesn't allow you to. exwinning a lock and not being able to attack after)
Whether it be kick(knockdown)DFA, or simply winning a saberlock and dfa-ing afterward, i feel that is not cheating, and that you should never hold back. What good would you be doing anyway by not giving it your all? Sure, the other person may like not gettin killed, but would it really be helping them get any better if you did not put in all you had into that duel? Think about it. _______________ Whatcha gonna do when the Rodster runs wild on you!? Roddymania is still runnin wild! |
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Bubu - Hubbub
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my views are mixed on this...
while i think that anything the game allows should be ok to use and prefectly legal, i also think that there are "scrubs" out there and if you want to play with them, then as ulic said before, just play by their rules. it's fun too, don't worry.
as a general rule, i try to stay away from "cheap" moves just because it is in my nature to try and get along with everyone. _______________ make install -not war |
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Nightcrawl2r - Ex-Student 
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U took the words right out of Nigty's mouth hehe. I agree with Arca completely _______________ Lineage: son of Mystique, father of Nocturne. |
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Arca - Student |
i personally don't hit people when they are down, but that's just me, other people hit me when im down but i don't make a fuss. It's a legal move, there's no cheating involved so don't let it bother you and carry on with the duel. If you think about it it's a bit like attacking someone from behind after they have done a rdfa (altho they did attack first) but in the same way they are unable to move for a short period of time, but also aswell as ulic said they are counters for it, so if it really does bother you that much learn to counter it...simple _______________ ~Arca Jeth~ |
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