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We want to shake things up a little bit here at thejediacademy.net, and one of the ways we want to achieve this is by broadening our horizons a little bit.
We have two thriving guilds in Star Wars: The Old Republic, but we're fully aware that MMO games aren't for everyone. We're also aware that the Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy community is not what it once was. So, in order to broaden our horizons, we want to find out what everyone is playing these days, as we want to accommodate you guys as best we can and give you what you need to enjoy our fantastic community. Star Wars gaming is obviously our first priority, but there's absolutely no reason why we can't, for example, run events, tournaments, classes or even servers for games that you guys enjoy. So, let's hear it! What are you guys playing? What games would you like to see us support? Reply to this thread and let us know, as well as any other suggestions or ideas you might have. Thanks guys! |
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Hugo - Student 
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Quote: Once we finish a few things regarding the website content, we'll be doing some kind of tournament (with a PRIZE OMGZ) and then we'll organise some sort of ladder.
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planK - Jedi Council 
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Once we finish a few things regarding the website content, we'll be doing some kind of tournament (with a PRIZE OMGZ) and then we'll organise some sort of ladder. |
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Hugo - Student
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Quote: so you guys playing jka or what
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Komence - Student 
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so you guys playing jka or what |
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Maher - Jedi Knight 
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oh heck. I have allready said my reasons at IRC and I want to avoid misconceptions so I won't post anything related to this subject anymore. It works for me and whatever works for you, It is fine.
Also we need to get back to the topic.  _______________ Still here | My Lightsaber |
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Hugo - Student 
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I still stay on my opinion that all are casual gamers. I disagree because there are very distinct and important differences that you seem to ignore, but I don't know if this is relevant to the discussion at hand. *highfive* |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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Quote: I still stay on my opinion that all are casual gamers. I disagree because there are very distinct and important differences that you seem to ignore, but I don't know if this is relevant to the discussion at hand. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Maher - Jedi Knight 
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I still stay on my opinion that all are casual gamers. _______________ Still here | My Lightsaber |
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Hugo - Student
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Quote: Successive troll attempt is successive. Don't worry hugo, I was just kidding. The distinction is useless anyways.
lol, np. My bad, couldn't tell, because of all the seriousness in this topic  |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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Successive troll attempt is successive. Don't worry hugo, I was just kidding. The distinction is useless anyways. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Hugo - Student
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Quote: @ Maher: You see, because actively competing is a necessary condition for being a 'competitive player', people like Hugo are still casuals because they have never actively competed in serious ladders/tournaments like the ESL before.
You gonna act like a bitch, you gonna look like a bitch 
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Masta - Jedi Council
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@ Maher: You see, because actively competing is a necessary condition for being a 'competitive player', people like Hugo are still casuals because they have never actively competed in serious ladders/tournaments like the ESL before. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Hugo - Student
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Quote: I guess what you called 'serious' gaming I would think of as competitive play, that is playing the game primarily with the intention to improve in terms of skill or compete in ladders/tournaments. The goal here is to become as good of a player as you can be, pushing your boundaries, challenging yourself, realizing your potential and developing mastery.
Although it is true that barely anyone here at any point in time has had that mindset, the Aurochs for example were a group comprised of (mostly) competitive players. I've been a competitive player for my entire life and remain one in sc2; Vision and Wicek were and still are competitive players too, the latter of which has played WoW at the highest level for years. That's what floats our boat. Mwyep, I agree with: "The goal here is to become as good of a player as you can be, pushing your boundaries, challenging yourself, realizing your potential and developing mastery.". That definition as serious gaming. I would not necessarily add 'competitive gaming' to it. A large majority of the competitive scene often doesn't really have a serious attitude when it comes to the previously mentioned points. But yes, quite often these skills are found in a competitive scene, because there is an external goal that turn people on to also push themselves. Less often you find people doing that where there is no competition, but I'd say there's also enough of those kind of serious gamers. So I'd say, self-development is important, and playing the game from a serious point of view. As in, analysing yourself and others, trying to understand the game, not necessarily trying to be the best, but trying to gain as much control and understanding over what the game and the community has to offer. All that is serious business!  versus:
Hanging around, messing around, now and then setting a goal to achieve and slowly - not actively, by pushing yourself, analyzing constantly and actively putting all the time you got into it - getting better and enjoying the game as it was made for you to enjoy by the game developers (low learning curve) or just playing the game without wanting to really improve, and settling with what you are doing and already can do, and enjoying that = casual gaming. 
edit: Serious gaming = pushing yourself constantly to improve and understand the game, +/- getting better to do well in competition. Often this is done by putting a lot of time into the game and related communities. Aspects that also are involved in a professional attitude in real life often will be applied here too: time-management, methodical thinking / works, theory development, game analyzing, team building, technical knowledge of the game and in e-sports often on a pro gaming level money and sponsors are involved as also a lot more training to play more solid under pressure in competition. However, competition isn't a must. Often a more serious approach can be found in professional competition though. People who game more seriously often game at least 4+ hours a day, where as they are only busy with improving and understanding quickly and in a constructive way to play competition or teach others, or to develop oneself. Casual gaming = settling with what you can already do in a game after a small period of learning, or learning pretty slowly. Not really intended to play any real competition, but merely to just hang around, escape reality and enjoy the game itself or people that do the same. Often the skills you learn from other casual gamers are tricks with general knowledge. It's not really constructive in any sense, and doesn't really work towards any real goal (actively). Eventually you may achieve self-development goals, but they are not set as a primary goal that you are actively busy with, also when it is not enjoyable to do. People who do play competition but play like 30 minutes a day or just when they got time to relax, also are countable under this definition of course. Also here competition can be going on, but is no must. I hope you get the general idea btw. It's not about giving a rock solid definition. Just what I consider it to be, in large lines.
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Masta - Jedi Council
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Then you create too simple of a dichotomy. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Maher - Jedi Knight
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In my mind competitive gaming is casual gaming  _______________ Still here | My Lightsaber |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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I guess what you called 'serious' gaming I would think of as competitive play, that is playing the game primarily with the intention to improve in terms of skill or compete in ladders/tournaments. The goal here is to become as good of a player as you can be, pushing your boundaries, challenging yourself, realizing your potential and developing mastery.
Although it is true that barely anyone here at any point in time has had that mindset, the Aurochs for example were a group comprised of (mostly) competitive players. I've been a competitive player for my entire life and remain one in sc2; Vision and Wicek were and still are competitive players too, the latter of which has played WoW at the highest level for years. That's what floats our boat. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. This comment was edited by Masta on Mar 24 2012 11:15am. |
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Maher - Jedi Knight
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Just out of interested and It is related to topic,
What's serious gaming? It is more like enjoying your time in games or It is more like working hard 24/7 to learn gaming? or how about just discovering the game at your own time and space? What defines serious gaming and casual gaming? Because I dare to say that we all are casual gamers _______________ Still here | My Lightsaber |
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planK - Jedi Council
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Hugo, the about us page is massively outdated and will be updated within the week. I'm in the process of rewriting it, amongst many other things that fall under the "tja getting itself together" category.
If people are here because they're Star Wars fans and only casual gamers, they are welcome. If they're a hardcore gamer with a passive interest in the star wars IP, they are also welcome. The only prerequisite to being a member of this website is "don't be a moron." I am doing my absolute best to insure this place has a strong future that accommodates as many people's wants/needs as possible. I'm a bit bummed at how this thread went, but I also appreciate the feedback and criticisms. This place has been far from perfect, but I we've established a general awareness of the JAK+'s past mistakes. However, I am mostly focusing on the positives. Positive mental attitude ftw. |
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Alex Dkana - Staff 
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Quote: Are we? I'd like to know what the current TJA-population all together is. More sw fans or more gamers? I always had the feeling that there are more sw fans here. And with that I mean people playing games because of the themes or because it's shiny and you can create characters and collect stuff and what not (those people I do not really call gamers). Would be interesting to know how many serious gamers there are and how many casual gamers, as also just sw fans. Just to clarify, I didn't necessarily mean we were all both those things, but rather everyone here was either a gamer, a star wars fan or both. I've always felt the hardcore/casual titles get thrown a round a bit too much and are a little heavy handed, but would be interesting to see the results of that nonetheless. Quote:
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I think Plank and the other TJA staff have made it very clear that JKJA still comes first, as it should
JKA and SWTOR are our primary games. Neither game takes priority over the other. Ok, good to know.
Quote: Also, the "classes" section will become an "events" section, which will act as a calendar listing any classes, events, get-togethers etc etc that we have going on. If any of these overlap on one time slot, so be it - it's about the people who will be attending, not the people organising such events, and offering a choice is not a bad thing.
Sounds good. The Instructor could always put 'Class' in their event title if they felt it warranted it anyhow I would imagine. Strongly agree with the last. Quote: I wouldn't say we're a "jedi philosophy" community. We're more of a "be nice and play fair" community.
This is how I've always seen the community. There are plenty of members here who take their Jedi philosophy seriously, one of my first proper threads on these boards was about it, however the community itself always feels like something more than any one philosophy. It stands out from many of the other Jedi orientated communities I have seen or taken part in in the past in part for that reason I think. _______________ To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield | Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken | Rhaiko D'kana - SWTOR EU Guild Co-Founder | Is it what the teacher, teaches? Or what the student learns? A Dkana |
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Hugo - Student
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Quote: Welcome to the Jedi Academy! Our goal is simple: to help you become a better Jedi Outcast and Jedi Academy player. We provide instruction on dueling technique, team based and capture the flag strategys and everything in between. We hope to do this in a friendly and respectful setting. We have a number of instructors who hold class. These classes are assisted by our Knights. The instructors and Knights have a Padawan system for those that can't attend class or wish for personal instruction. If you're looking for a master stop by our IRC channel or our forums. If our Instructors or knights are busy you can also recieve instruction from your fellow students. We encourage that kind of stuff.
Along with teaching we give our students, staff, and whoever crosses our path a friendly atmosphere where we can talk about the game, the Star Wars gaming community, or whatever. Our rules page goes into more detail, but all that we ask from you in return is that you respect your teachers and fellow students. Respect everyone, even those lower in rank or skill level than you. We enjoy teaching, but if you are vulgar and inappropriate, we will kick you out and stop training you. Have lots of fun, we enjoy fun, we love fun. We will make everything as fun as possible. Have fun training and teaching! That's our number one priority. If you have any questions about us check our Holocron and our forums. If they don't help you the Council's contact information is at the bottom of this page. We also keep a n email account for contacting us all at once or as a general suggestions box: fixtheja@thejediacademy.net. Going by that. I'd say: No jedi philosophy Goal is to teach and get people to be better. You do not want SWTOR swfans. Unless, of course you change the goals and vision. Like I suggested. EDIT: Quote: I wouldn't say we're a "jedi philosophy" community. We're more of a "be nice and play fair" community.
Yep, therefore you may throw away some seriously loyal gamers when you go SWTOR and get back some temporarily SWfans ... can be dangerous. I still agree with Lazianna though, you can easily play both games. But get your stuff together tja! create a clear vision and orga for the next 15 years, saves you lots of bs (I know people seem to be working on that, just have to keep pushing it into peoples faces ).
Therefore the discussion below here is btw nonsense
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Hugo - Student
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Quote: Free yourself from your bias Masta and come join us, we are all just gamers and Star Wars fans here.
Are we? I'd like to know what the current TJA-population all together is. More sw fans or more gamers? I always had the feeling that there are more sw fans here. And with that I mean people playing games because of the themes or because it's shiny and you can create characters and collect stuff and what not (those people I do not really call gamers). Would be interesting to know how many serious gamers there are and how many casual gamers, as also just sw fans. Because really. That's the deciding factor in whether you want to present SWTOR to the TJA community. I personally think that - because most people are not really into the hardcore quake gaming or even active personal and skill development in a game - SWTOR would fit the tja, aswell as jka has also always presented a good place for people to hang around. Btw I'm guessing most people in this topic game seriously and casually, so like I already stated before. Do a large poll .. contact idle members to figure out the nature of the community that you want to be active. If there isn't already an idea of what the tja people are like. Like I already stated before. You need a vision on what you are, the people you have and what you want. It doesn't seem like there is any that is also known with the members (/me looks at discussion below). Then you can easily make choices. This comment was edited by Hugo on Mar 24 2012 12:25am. |
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planK - Jedi Council
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I wouldn't say we're a "jedi philosophy" community. We're more of a "be nice and play fair" community. |
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Hugo - Student
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Quote: Since swtor is not going to go anywhere anytime soon (within the next year before it dies out like it should), there's no rush to focus on getting the guildies to play jka, but I do believe that if there's a key to getting new people into jka, then this is it. It's a potentially 'good' (?) source yes. Quote: I for myself see no problem in having both games co-exist within TJA regardless of what anyone might think of either of them. I agree, as I already stated ages ago. |
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Hugo - Student
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Because people might think we all have a 'jedi philosophy' approach on all games that are being played.
And what is wrong with that, per se? Oh nothing, wasn't meant to imply that. But it does create an image. Which attracts certain players, and scares others. You may want to be a bit more open to all then. But ye, no problem with that. Not my choice to make. If I had to choose though. I wouldn't go with a 'jedi philosophy' motivated organization obviously. If I did, I'd be playing SWTOR with you guys now
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planK - Jedi Council 
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Quote: I think Plank and the other TJA staff have made it very clear that JKJA still comes first, as it should
JKA and SWTOR are our primary games. Neither game takes priority over the other. Also, the "classes" section will become an "events" section, which will act as a calendar listing any classes, events, get-togethers etc etc that we have going on. If any of these overlap on one time slot, so be it - it's about the people who will be attending, not the people organising such events, and offering a choice is not a bad thing. Also, I don't give a damn how bad you think SWTOR is - some people love it, some people hate it, and that's entirely your choice. But this thread isn't for your QQ. Shut up. |
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