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A friendly reminder -solitude - Apr 15 06:56pm |
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This isn't aimed at any individuals in particular (nor any single incident), but I would appreciate it if everyone took the time to read this, long as it is. The JA has been around a long time, and in this time we've seen a lot of different people come and go. However, despite the many changes we've seen had in staff and student, one thing we have *always* tried to maintain is a friendly, fun, atmosphere where people could experience gameplay that they may not be able to find in pub servers. In order to maintain this atmosphere, we have a set of rules. With the lower activity of the JA, and the fact that most people know each other, we have not enforced the rules as strictly as we have in the past. We've seen guns being used everywhere, "fun" laming, impromptu FFAs being spontaneously started, and so on. Now, I realise it is difficult to balance "having fun", and being overly strict with rules. However, in the last few months (yes, I do observe the servers), I feel that we have gone too far in allowing fun to happen at the cost of the rules. I'm not going to issue any warnings, or direct this at any individuals. However, I would like to warn everyone that the staff will be watching this closely in the future and *will* enforce the rules. If you want to gun, there is a fort in the map. Use it. If you want to FFA, ask everyone on the server first if they consent, and definitely do not start attacking anyone who joins the server. We have a FFA server for that. Use it. Regarding the "fun" laming, consider how it looks from an outsider's point of view, and how it makes the server look if they don't know you. If I have to pick between allowing people to lame, and maintaining the friendly atmosphere we have, I think it is fairly obvious which I will choose. The JA is here for *everyone* to enjoy, old and new. Take a look at the rules and refresh your memory. Try to be considerate of others when you play, and I'm sure we will have no problems. |
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Setementor - Jedi Master 
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Quote: We do get new members frequently, which is encouraging, but how many new members actually come online?
Consider this: if our current new members don't usually become active members, what makes you think that the ones who visit an academy public server will? Quote: And how many join up thinking this is some sort of RPG community.
Usually you find this website on google when you're looking for help with the Jedi Academy game. Quote: Perhaps we see and introduce 1 in 10? Maybe less?
Perhaps the others check the servers, don't find anyone on and never return. Quote: there has to be some form of advertising the Academy can do amoungst the ever dimishing active player base
We have the Aurochs to spread the word, current members often invite their friends, the JA was once in a popular gaming magazine, the servers have 'thejediacademy.net' written in the title, you find this website often when you search for help with the game. That's plenty of publicity really. We still get lots of new members. Perhaps we need to concentrate on convincing them that the academy is worth staying at. Oh and if you do want to tell people about the JA in spite of what I said, go ahead. 
Plenty of people still play Jedi Academy anyway. Quote: Out of interest how much would it cost to run 1 euro public server?
Could probably get one from a server company for fairly cheap per month, depending on slots and other features. |
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Cuthalion - Padawan 
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You've kind of twisted some of my words there mate. We do get new members frequently, which is encouraging, but how many new members actually come online? It sounds silly, but how many of our new members actually have the game? And how many join up thinking this is some sort of RPG community. Perhaps we see and introduce 1 in 10? Maybe less? I do frequently visit public servers, but it's hard to talk about the academy on public servers, there has to be some form of advertising the Academy can do amoungst the ever dimishing active player base, when the Auroch where all active and dueling I suppose that was some form of advertising, but to my knowledge they are unfortunately not that active any more. So is there a way that this place could be advertised? And also, Euro Players wouldn't readily go on the US Public Server, as it makes our pings rather high, however if you think that if all of us visit it more regularly then our active player base goes up, perhaps it's a compromise we euro player's will have to make? Seen as we have several often empty Euro servers, that is why we all tend to frequent Euro Home. Out of interest how much would it cost to run 1 euro public server? _______________ <MaherSenatu> guh... you are just... I'll keep sure that your kind of people will never be knights... <MaherSenatu> That's my mission... Master to Kain Sol This comment was edited by Cuthalion on Apr 20 2010 10:27am. |
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Setementor - Jedi Master
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Quote: Just notify new members on the server there is a FFA going on and where it is?
Yes, and try and keep it out of the courtyard or dueling lobby, PARTICULARLY when there are a lot of people on or people who aren't participating - because they might get attacked when they don't wish to be. Quote: Also I was thinking about this the other day. Why not make a server public
I think we made the US one public and activity was still low. Also solitude cannot sustain a public server due to bandwidth constraints. Quote: 2, give people a chance to duel other people from outside the Academy in a FFA situations and give the possibility for greater improvement.
Nothing stopping you guys visiting public servers and putting your skills to the test. Quote: Not that that is a bad thing but any potential for more active new blood in the Academy is surely no bad thing?!?
We get plenty of new members regularly, perhaps we should focus on the ones we are getting more. |
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Augusta_Mintaka - Student 
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It's like JKA was a brand new game all over again! _______________ "Deos fortioribus adesse." |
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solitude - Jedi Council 
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Quote: Hell there are enough servers at the JA to have one solely for FFAing.
There already is one. Quote: Why not make a server public, it WOULD get more members signing up, I suggested this once before and and I think the general consensus was sounds "like a good idea", but there were potential problems with Haxors and other people crashing the server.
Nope, the problem is the cost of the bandwidth. Not going to happen unless someone wants to donate a server. _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge  Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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Cuthalion - Padawan
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So is this settled then. Just notify new members on the server there is a FFA going on and where it is? When I use my HLSW and I see for example 8/32 people on the Euro Home server I automatically assume that there is a FFA going on. Hell there are enough servers at the JA to have one solely for FFAing. It was only the other day Laz, Dash and Joh were on Euro Classes or Euro Fun (I forget which one) and I knew they wouldn't be FFAing, so I went onto Euro Home where my HLSW indicated activity and to where I assumed there would be a FFA going on, and ta-da there it was.
Also I was thinking about this the other day. Why not make a server public, it WOULD get more members signing up, I suggested this once before and and I think the general consensus was sounds "like a good idea", but there were potential problems with Haxors and other people crashing the server. Well surely now with the daily reset at whatever ungodly hour that takes place, that leaves less margin for error, and accordingly more scope for probable success. So I ask again, can we please have a Public FFA server? It would 1, bring in more people to the academy hopefully raising activity levels. 2, give people a chance to duel other people from outside the Academy in a FFA situations and give the possibility for greater improvement. If the server gets a bit rowduy members fo the academy can either leave and go to one of our private servers, or get a ranked or RCON member of staff to visit the server as distribute the PAIN!!! Experience dictates that the more experience and practice with more individuals increases skill levels and in game fighting awareness, hence why a lot of people visit Duel, FFA and TFFA servers to practice, and don't confine themselves solely to the JA Servers. Not that that is a bad thing but any potential for more active new blood in the Academy is surely no bad thing?!? Meh, just my 2 x 1 pennies. But I would seriously suggest changing one of the quieter servers to a bonafide FFA server with a different map if this rule breaking continues, it's just common sense. Anyway, back to the BBQ, Beers and Sunshine. _______________ <MaherSenatu> guh... you are just... I'll keep sure that your kind of people will never be knights... <MaherSenatu> That's my mission... Master to Kain Sol This comment was edited by Cuthalion on Apr 18 2010 03:06pm. |
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solitude - Jedi Council
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Quote: but to me, the post makes it sound like people are ambushed the second they enter the server then ignored and this just isnt the case.
You're seeing extra meaning where there is none. ;( _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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Dark D'Kana - Student 
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ask then _______________ Padawan of Jaina D'Kana Owner of Kain Sol's 400th and Zantus's 500th comment Skin found here: http://skins.thejediacademy.net/official_ja_skinpack_v1.1.zip |
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Setementor - Jedi Master
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To be honest, I'm never sure when there is an FFA going on after I've just entered the server. For all I know it could be a tag or team game or training or for whatever reason a private battle not meant to have outsiders join in randomly. There have been countless times I've gone on thinking things were probably FFAs and been wrong. It's difficult to be sure of anything when you've just joined the server. |
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Dark D'Kana - Student
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its pretty obvious if there is a ffa on. people do ask if they're unsure. its not just people joining, killing, then leaving, we do talk to each other and do other things, like tffa's, pit games, gunning etc.
no, its not to much to ask, but to me, the post makes it sound like people are ambushed the second they enter the server then ignored and this just isnt the case. _______________ Padawan of Jaina D'Kana Owner of Kain Sol's 400th and Zantus's 500th comment Skin found here: http://skins.thejediacademy.net/official_ja_skinpack_v1.1.zip This comment was edited by Dark D'Kana on Apr 18 2010 01:29am. |
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solitude - Jedi Council
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Is it really too much to ask to tell people joining that there's a FFA going on and ask them if they want to join in before killing them? _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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Setementor - Jedi Master 
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Quote: when I said about the atmosphere changing, i meant about being worried what will happen if I lame people.
I know I know, I was just making a point related to the word "atmosphere". 
Quote: its been made to feel like a crime when before it was fun.
Well it is a crime technically.
Quote: also, I don't think sectioning off ffa areas will work.
The academy has been around for a lot of years mate, this rule has always been enforced (not FFAing in the courtyard or dueling lobby) and it has worked perfectly fine. People very rarely used to FFA there in the past and when they did they were stopped immediately. It's mainly with reduced activity that it has become a regular thing. Quote: there are often alot of people in ffa's.
I understand that and moving to a far away room too is a bit annoying but I was always okay with it. It's fine to FFA in the courtyard or the dueling lobby if every single person agrees, it's just when it's happening all of the time and people joining are finding it a problem then we should try and keep it elsewhere. There are plenty of other places to do it, such as dueling rooms, the pit, or our very vast and huge fortress/grove area. Quote: people are not idiots and have some decorum
. I understand it's not become that bad, but there have been complaints and people feel the "atmosphere" I was referring to has changed ever so slightly.
Quote: this is a game after all, most of this is just common sense
Common sense isn't so common. Quote: i wasn't exaggerating about the new students, i doubt its the server behaviour or bad examples that meant they didnt come back because compared to the others i've been on, its a brilliant place to be. there has not been a day where people have not smiled on the servers with a semi colon and a bracket.
Again I'm not saying it's become that bad, the academy has always and will always be a great place to play. It's just it's been an ever so slightly nicer place to play in the past than it is now with the amount of laming and disruption and jokes some people are hit by recently. It's nothing like public servers, but a fairly significant amount of people have expressed concern about it. |
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ZantuS - Student 
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/bind m say ^1WARNING!! ^7FFA IN PROGRESS!! ^1WARNING!!
I only mind being lamed when it's done when I'm for example on my way back to a dueling room after a defeat in a duel, or when I'm waiting for my opponent to return after defeating them in a duel. Consideration please! (damn u sauce) _______________ Happiness is the ability to say "So what?" |
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Dark D'Kana - Student
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splitting up the comment has taken away some of its meaning. when I said about the atmosphere changing, i meant about being worried what will happen if I lame people. its been made to feel like a crime when before it was fun. also, I don't think sectioning off ffa areas will work. there are often alot of people in ffa's. people move as the battle moves. if a room is being occupied for something like training, then sure, we try and stay out. people are not idiots and have some decorum. this is a game after all, most of this is just common sense
edit: i wasn't exaggerating about the new students, i doubt its the server behaviour or bad examples that meant they didnt come back because compared to the others i've been on, its a brilliant place to be. there has not been a day where people have not smiled on the servers with a semi colon and a bracket. _______________ Padawan of Jaina D'Kana Owner of Kain Sol's 400th and Zantus's 500th comment Skin found here: http://skins.thejediacademy.net/official_ja_skinpack_v1.1.zip This comment was edited by Dark D'Kana on Apr 17 2010 11:19pm. |
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Setementor - Jedi Master
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Quote: Switching the servers to basejka, losing all the emotes/majority of admin commands contributed to the FFA/laming etc. It became like every other basejka server since that.
I have rcon, if you don't listen to me I will kick and ban you.
Quote: from my experiences on the servers pretty muchevery night, most people don't mind being lamed if afk.
It's the people that DO mind, that is the problem. And when it becomes "normal" to lame people, it becomes too easy to lame someone who does not wish to be lamed. Quote: if theyre doing something, thats a different matter and a pain
I have heard a lot of complaints of this. Quote: but still, people will stop if asked.
Shouldn't do it in the first place. Quote: Not everyone does join in with ffa's
Indeed, so please please keep them inside of a dueling room instead of the dueling lobby so people don't get lamed. And make sure everyone is aware of the FFA when they join. Quote: people, like me, are willing to duel aswell.
I hear that a lot of people are actually willing to duel - so don't be afraid to ask, guys.
Quote: i havent seen anyone left out or personally attacked when joining the server.
I remember rarely seeing trouble on servers as a student. Then when the JAK+ purge happened it was anarchy.
Quote: i just hope the atmosphere doesnt change because of this.
There are some who have obviously expressed fears that the atmosphere has changed as a result of laming and other things. I'm not saying don't have fun, just try to keep FFAs inside of an unoccipied room/area (not the courtyard or duel lobby), make sure everyone knows of the FFA and watch out you aren't attacking those who don't wish to be attacked. Let's not set a bad example to newer students as well. |
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Hugo - Student 
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REVOLUTION!  This comment was edited by Hugo on Apr 17 2010 09:38pm. |
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Dark D'Kana - Student 
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I don't see what the problem is.
from my experiences on the servers pretty muchevery night, most people don't mind being lamed if afk. if theyre doing something, thats a different matter and a pain, but still, people will stop if asked. Not everyone does join in with ffa's, but people, like me, are willing to duel aswell. i havent seen anyone left out or personally attacked when joining the server. In the extremely rare event a new member does turn up on the servers, they're treated well, given tours, duels etc. even if we do all that, its even rarer for people to stick around for round 2. in the last year, the number of new members who stuck around to be active on the servers can be counted on one hand. on the servers, people know each other, we have a laugh, whoever is on. i just hope the atmosphere doesnt change because of this. _______________ Padawan of Jaina D'Kana Owner of Kain Sol's 400th and Zantus's 500th comment Skin found here: http://skins.thejediacademy.net/official_ja_skinpack_v1.1.zip |
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Kaldør - Student 
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Switching the servers to basejka, losing all the emotes/majority of admin commands contributed to the FFA/laming etc. It became like every other basejka server since that. |
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Setementor - Jedi Master
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FFAs are fun but I often try and do some dueling when I go on. |
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ZantuS - Student 
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I'm always willing to spar/duel! And I'm not the only one! Ask people! _______________ Happiness is the ability to say "So what?" |
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†Johauna Darkrider†- Student 
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Well, to be honest, the reason why I don't go as much on the servers is that fact that people simply only FFA all the time. <.<
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Cuthalion - Padawan
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I know what you mean Joh, maybe next time if there is a FFA confine it to 1 particular Matrix room, and not in the Atrium/Lobby. But I think the JA has always been a place where you could just hangout. _______________ <MaherSenatu> guh... you are just... I'll keep sure that your kind of people will never be knights... <MaherSenatu> That's my mission... Master to Kain Sol |
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†Johauna Darkrider†- Student
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Honestly, I'm not biggest fan of mindless FFA'ing. It's fun for me like for 10-15 minutes, then it just gets old. I personally liked when people hanged out and you could practice/duel/train.
TJA servers were always some sort of 'sanctuary' for me - unlike normal public FFA servers. It changed a lot, that's a fact. Some may think of me as of a 'spoilsport' with such opinions, but really, people are nowadays only FFA'ing.. 
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solitude - Jedi Council 
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Quote: *lames sete and sol irl
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MOTREC - Student 
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*lames sete and sol irl |
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