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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student  |
If you look at the trailer for the DVD-release of the original trilogy they'll say: 'And get an exclusive look at Episode 3: The Return of Darth Vader' Have we found the title? _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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JavaGuy - Student 
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No. He put the lives of two people he knew over the lives of billions of people he didn't know. That's the bottom line. And again, he didn't know about the Death Star, but he certainly knew that the Sith could be genocidal, and he let one get away in order to save his friends. He chose his personal feelings over doing his duty. _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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R2D2 - Staff 
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But, in the end, Anakin was the one to stop Palpatine. Yoda probably decided whether to save two great Jedis or get Dooku (I dont think they knew about the plans yet). I'm not sure Yoda or Obi-Wan were specifically referring to this incident in the original trilogy. It was simply a thing taught to young Jedis, dont let your emotions control you. I think Yoda simply (without knowing about the death star plans) put the lives of two ppl over the killing of one. _______________ "Do or do not, there is no try" Jedi Master Yoda Dual Saberist |
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JavaGuy - Student
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But Obi Wan would have been happy to sacrifice himself to save billions of lives. Billions. I'm not sure Yoda regarded Obi Wan as one of the truly great ones of his nine centuries, but even if he did of what use is "greatness" in the eyes of the Jedi if it does not mean willingness to sacrifice all in defense of the innocent. Obi Wan would have said with the famous Jedi humility that he was just one Jedi and that when he was gone there would be more to take his place. Yoda might have protected Anakin because of his status as the "chosen one," but I see a couple of problems with that. Firstly, Yoda himself was highly skeptical of the whole chosen one thing right from the beginning and seemed just as unconvinced throughout Ep II. When he complained of Jedi becoming arrogant, he certainly had Anakin in mind, notwithstanding his obvious fondness for the boy. Second, if it really was a prophecy, something truly preordained, that this chosen one would come along and do whatever, then Yoda didn't really have to worry about his part in helping that to happen--it was a guarantee. _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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I did know but we're talking hypothetically, ... You know, what IF Yoda didn't stop that pillar, and killed Dooku in stead _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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SedNox - Student 
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ehm, bail? never saw episode IV, V and VI? anakin is gonna be a baddy!!!  _______________ -Evil Clown- "We interrupt this program to increase dramatic tension." Echuu's 1200th comment, D@RtH N00B's 10850th comment, Redeye's 100th and 150th comment. |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student
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the right thing... yes but at what cost? The probable loss of the Chosen One and Obi-Wan Kenobi, who is revered as a great Knight by Yoda... _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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JavaGuy - Student
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Precisely. And Yoda should have ignored the pillar and pressed the asault. Perhaps he could have been quick enough to decapitate Dooku and still stop the pillar. Perhaps not. Either way the right thing to do. _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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D@RtHM@UL - Student 
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I'm sure Dooku knew that Yoda would be able to hold the pillar, but he also knew Yoda would be distracted long enough for him to escape  |
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JavaGuy - Student
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Quote: I'm sorry that I keep arguing with you. Not arguing, discussing, tossing ideas around. This is a good thing even when it's not a serious subject being discussed.  And even arguments can be civilized and often are here. So no need to appologize. _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student
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But maybe Dooku knew that Yoda would be able to stop the pillar... I'm sorry that I keep arguing with you. I highly doubt that my idea will be the idea in the movies, but I'm looking for a nice surprise here _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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JavaGuy - Student
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Oh, that's a conversation I've had at great length with a friend. I believe Yoda was most responsible for the failure to defeat the Sith. He did let his emotions get in the way, and there's evidence that he realized it later. Dooku did not "save" Obi Wan and Anakin. He dropped a hundred-ton pillar of rock on them, not exactly a neighborly thing to do. He had, in fact, disabled them both and was, I believe, either planning to keep them as prisoners or else just gloat over them and enjoy their pain before killing them. Yoda sensed the Dark Side in Dooku, and so it makes sense that Dooku is a sadist. Remember Padme falling from the assault craft? Anakin wanted to go save her, but Obi Wan told him no. He asked him what she would do, and Anakin acknowledged that she would do her duty. He understood that he had to make a decision between his personal feelings for his friends and doing his duty. He understood that something much bigger was at stake than just his circle of friends, that as much as he cared for them there were many other people's loved ones also at stake. He rightly chose not to selfishly put his own loved ones ahead of many others. Just a few minutes later, Yoda had to make exactly the same decision. He was beating Dooku, not handily, but he was inexorably pressing his advantage against the Sith Lord. Then Dooku threw a gigantic pillar of rock on top of Obi Wan and Anakin. In that moment he was vulnerable, and Yoda could have slain him. Dooku wagered that Yoda would pause in his assault to save his friends. So Yoda had the same choice Anakin had: Do his duty and risk losing his friends, or stop to save his friends and let Dooku get away. He made his choice, and Dooku got away with the Death Star plans, resulting in billions of people later being murdered. Yoda probably didn't know that would happen, but he certainly had no illusions about the Sith and understood the seriousness of the situation. He knew something like that was a possible result. This was the same Yoda who earlier in the film had groused about too many Jedi becoming prideful and self-centered. But he put his personal feelings for his friends above his duty to a far greater number of people. Either he was selfish and didn't acknowledge that something greater was at stake than his friends, or he was prideful to think that he was such a badass that he could save them and still stop Dooku from escaping. Or he was so prideful that he thought he could set things aright even if Dooku escaped. Any way you cut it, he blew it big time, for reasons that he himself had outlined earlier in the film. There's evidence that he saw his blunder, too. Remember Luke wanting to go to Cloud City to save his friends? Yoda remembered his own mistake and advised him that something much bigger was at stake. Luke asked if he should let his friends die in order to follow his duty, and Yoda said, "If you honor what they fight for, yes!" Yoda knew he had blown it and didn't want Luke to repeat his mistake. Obi Wan gave him similar advice regarding his sister, to bury his feelings for her--"They do you credit, but they could be made to serve the Emperor," and he certainly knew how personal feelings could be used by the Sith, having been himself used as bait to draw Yoda away from pressing his advantage against Dooku. _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student
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yet he did not kill Obi-Wan nor Anakin... And Yoda let him go... I believe it was Yoda who taught that you can't let your emotions get in the way? Why did he save Anakin and Obi-Wan? Emotions? or because of some wicked plan? _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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JavaGuy - Student
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Well when Dooku capture Obi Wan and told him that story, I too thought it would be really cool if Dooku really were on the right side and the Jedi Council was being tricked into fighting against the good guys. But the fight at the very end (not to mention his escaping with the Death Star plans) left little room for doubt as to his nature. _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student
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I have to admit I have thought this as well... but in that case, I would also be right about my assumption that Dooku was serious when he told Obi-Wan about Sidious, and that he really wants to destroy Sidious... If so, that would be pretty cool ... _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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R2D2 - Staff 
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Yes, I personally dont believe Sidious is Palpatine, but you never know. _______________ "Do or do not, there is no try" Jedi Master Yoda Dual Saberist |
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JavaGuy - Student 
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Since Darth Vader is a manifestation of the Dark Side, it's possible he has been around for thousands of years and that Anakin's fall to the Dark Side is simply a vehicle for his latest incarnation. Mind you, I think that would be a retarded storyline, but after the appearance of Jar Jar in Ep I I'm ready for anything. I'm still holding out for a real surprise in Ep III. The original trilogy had surprises all along. I'm thinking this: We discover that Sidious is not Palpatine, but by the end of the movie Palpatine has slain Sidious and taken his place. Everyone assumes Sidious is Palpatine just because Palpatine is the Emperor is later episodes, but there's nothing that tells us that this is the case. And the sooner he kills Jar Jar the better. _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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Rocket Raccoon - Student 
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i actually saw an interview with lucas and he said that the title had already been guessed by fans. they asked him if it was "revenge of the sith" and he just kinda smiled...so who knows, maybe he is just screwing with us. we wont know until november _______________ "I'm not normally a religious man, but if you're up there, save me, Superman!"-Homer Simpson |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student
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Hey, I'm not saying this will be the title, I'm just explain why it could be ... _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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D@RtHM@UL - Student 
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But it's not Bail. I posted the real name of EPIII somewere in a previous topic about this, forgot what it was called. |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student
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/me steps on soapbox Well, yes, I agree with you Except on one point Darth Vader was already there in Ep2. Just look at the Tusken scene. That's where it all started IMO. But after that, he married Padmè, and he calmed down again, finding peace and serenity with her. When he loses his control again in Ep3, the DarkSide will return, and so will his alter-ego, Darth Vader. So 'Return of Darth Vader' could be correct _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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badkarma - Ex-Student 
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Return of Darth Vader is not the name. They say you get to see behind the scenes of EP. III and the return of Darth Vader to our eyes in our world. Darth vader hasn't even been in the SW timeline at this point in the prequel trilogy, so it can't be the Return. If you look at all the names of every SW movie, they refer to something that happens in that film. Example---> A New Hope, a new hope is discovered on Tattooine for bringing down the Empire in the form of Luke Skywalker. They are all self explainatory and can also hold more than one meaning.The Phantom Menace could be looked at like this. Anakin is the not yet discovered menace to the Jedi, he will be their downfall. Or the "Phantom Menace" could be Darth Sidious, b/c he is controlling the events and the Jedi have not discovered him or his intentions. So the Return of Darth Vader is not a viable name for EP. III nor does it make sense. It is a return of Darth Vader to our televisions screens in a behind the scenes look at Ep. III. *(Steps off soapbox and readjusts it for next person.)* -peace-   _______________ I live life by two sayings. "no regrets," and "Everybody Wang Chung Tonight." |
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Plo Koon - Student 
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lucas always gives out a name to trick the fans/media but just before release he says it. _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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Quesi Of course, that's what first went through my head as well... But think of it like this: Back when Star Wars came out, it was Darth Vader - supervillain... Now, about 20 years absolutely NO Darth Vader, and this is when he'll first make his reappearance So technically: Return would be correct  _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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D@RtHM@UL - Student
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Episode III: Mace get's spankings! |
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Quesi - Student 
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Star Wars Episode III: Things go real bad for Anakin btw i think that 'Return of Dath Vader' is a stupid name, because chonologically speaking, it is incorrect. This is the beginning of Darth Vader, therefore he is not 'coming back'. bleh, D'loko already made the point, oh well... _______________ "Your powers are weak old man" || Part of the "Fifth Element Appreciation Society" || Proud possession of Flash [Jacen_Aratan] bleh [Jacen_Aratan] last year of school :p [Jacen_Aratan] after the finals I am freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee [Jacen_Aratan] until I have to go on more advanced education [Jacen_Aratan]  [Acey_Spadey] like kindergarten(Bubu) my sister was quite good actually.. never expected her to be so good (Gradius) yeah, she's great This comment was edited by Quesi on Jul 20 2004 03:37pm. |
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