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who do you think would win. |
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Qui-Gon or Anakin?
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Vaughn - Student 
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2 things. I checked my post, and I did say its not a matter of whos stronger, just who lives. But we dropped it. second, this post is really starting to remind me of a forum i found years ago called "if the movies played like the games". Where they took scenes from the movies, and gave the dialogue as if people from JK2 online were playing them. They were hilarious. But what reminded me, was the push by darth maul. In that, Obi would have said something like "WTF!!!? H4xorz! you cant push! NF duel WTF!" and maul would just say "STFU, n00b" quite amusing if youve ever seen that forum _______________ When you become an actor, you become the person, and you dont act anymore. You just are. - Tyler HP, Taught by Mr G Simpson |
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Pa'aN - Student 
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Alright, agreed. BUT, it was only because they both had worn him down. i believe the situation was similar to when obi n ani were facing dooku. Obi instructed ani to wait and attack together. This is because obi knew it would take both of them to defeat dooku. Same as with qui gon, obi n maul. Qui gon knew both of them must fight maul together in order to beat him. Although qui gon lost his life in the battle, his main objective was still accomplished. On that same principal, when obi n ani fought dooku, ani didn't listen to his master and attacked first, loosing the advantage. it is in MY OPINION that they could have won if ani was patient enough. So back to my main point, it was necessary for the master n padawan pair to attack maul together. Otherwise they would have lost. They almost did. And yea, maul did force push obi, but what's wrrong with that? Nobody said it's illegal..hehe..and obi n qui gon could have done so if they wished, but it was maul who saw the opening and used it to his advantage. Darth Maul rocks!  _______________  Just Blabbing on about anything coz my connection is too slow for me to play
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Ecks - Student 
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Actually, PA'an, when Obi fought Maul one on one, I have to say Obi was doing quite well. He cut Maul's saber in half, kicked him down, and if Maul didn't do that one Force Push, I think Obi had a good chance of winning it on his own. _______________ "To become a greater man, you must be a lesser one first." |
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Pa'aN - Student
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Wait..ur all forgetting something. How is obi stronger than maul when it took 2 jedi to kill 1 sith?..if obi took on maul by himself, he would have lost. It's quite impossible to make a connection between maul and anakin, since they've never fought. So we can't say if qui gon or obi wan or whoever beats maul, they can beat anakin. BTW, anakin was 20+ when he became vader. Luke was also around 20 when obi was killed/died. So vader's age at that time would be 40+. Thats not old..hehe..conclusion: obi wanted to die/change into force spirit. Just my point of view.. _______________ Just Blabbing on about anything coz my connection is too slow for me to play
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Ecks - Student
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Err.... no, your post didn't mention anything about who just lives and who dies; the only thing close to that is your definition of "technical." But, you're right, we'll just drop it.  _______________ "To become a greater man, you must be a lesser one first." |
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Vaughn - Student 
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Quote: Plus, Vaughn was thinking linearly, thinking that if one person beats another, it means they can beat the person that that person beat. Get that?  When in fact, anybody can beat anybody - just depends on the factors and how things play out. Didn't I say that straight up that this is just on who dies and who lives? Im pretty sure I said that... Edit: True. There is no proof that the person who won is better. But in terms of survival, if I beat you, and you die, then my genes move on, and therefore I was 'stronger'.  _______________ When you become an actor, you become the person, and you dont act anymore. You just are. - Tyler HP, Taught by Mr G Simpson This comment was edited by Vaughn on Jul 28 2005 10:14pm. |
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Nuebus - Student 
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AND obi beating maul is argueable. argueably if dooku was not playing with him then caught surprise would have won obi beating anakin was argueable due 2 obi's higher ground obi vs vader mentioned by Ecks already. vader surprised palp its basically all on the factors of the fight. maul would have won if he made obi fall, dooku would have won if he just killed anakin quickly, there is no actual proof that one is better then the other. _______________ Sanity is for the weak -Let the madness consume you... I'ma moron, i'm the master of morons, i even got a club of morons... so how do u beat me at bein a moron?... and no, not by being u. Ex-Padawan of Chaos~ |
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Ecks - Student 
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Plus, Vaughn was thinking linearly, thinking that if one person beats another, it means they can beat the person that that person beat. Get that? When in fact, anybody can beat anybody - just depends on the factors and how things play out. _______________ "To become a greater man, you must be a lesser one first." |
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Thomasooo - Student 
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Quote: Obi LET vader win. It was pretty obvious as Obi lifted his saber. Forgot that And both of them are very old. NOt much action in that fight. It's more because of the lack of special effects than the fact that they were old, I think. _______________ In the navy and LOVING it!
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Limana D'Kana - Student 
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Quote: Obi LET vader win. It was pretty obvious as Obi lifted his saber. Forgot that And both of them are very old. NOt much action in that fight. _______________ c",) c",) c",) c",) c",) c",) c",) c",) |
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Ecks - Student
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Quote: Ok. Well, lets put this into perspective. Luke would beat Obi. I mean, seriously. Obi was killed by Vader. And Luke held off Vader... and then, well, kinda, killed him. Not exactly. Vader killed himself and then Anakin killed Palpy. (come on, you know what im talking about. Ep 4/6) Then, not withstanding, Jaiden Korr would own vader, and maul. Think about it. This is how it goes. It doesnt matter whos stronger or better, just who lives. Maul killes Quigon. Obi kills maul. Ani killes Dooku. Ani kills the Jedi in the temple. Ani and Obi tie, with Obi defaulting. Yoda and Palpy fight, with Palpy defaulting. Vader kills Obi. Vader and Luke tie, with Vader defaulting. Vader and Luke tie again, with Luke defaulting. Palpy shock therapy's Luke, with Palpy defaulting until Ani kills Vader (good side beats dark side, with Luke's help). Ani tosses a shock-therapying Palpy over the edge to his death. Ani dies. -flash to JK2- Kyle and Tavion tie, with Kyle defaulting. Luke and Desann fight, with Desann defaulting. Kyle kills Desann. -jk3- Jaiden and Aroura (sp?) fight, Jaiden defaulting. Jaiden and Rosh fight, Jaiden defaulting until Tavion arrives, and messes it up. -light path- Jaiden Kills Aroura. Jaiden and Tavion fight, Jaiden defaults when Ragnos posesses Tavion. Jaiden kills Ragnos. -dark path- Jaiden kills Rosh. Jaiden kills Aroura. Jaiden kills Tavion. Jaiden and Kyle fight, with Jaiden defaulting (but runs away). Therefore, Jaiden could have killed Maul. >_< What do i mean by defaulitng? well, with the happy exception of the final Jaiden vs kyle, it means that the person who defaults technically wins the fight, without killing the other person, or is still willing to fight when the other person runs away. In the last one, Jaiden beats kyle down, gets him stuck, then runs away. So kyle can't fight, and Jaiden runs away. So, that being said... Jaiden would have destroyed Maul. As much thought as you put into this... Obi LET vader win. It was pretty obvious as Obi lifted his saber. As well, Vader did not kill Obi. Obi turned into a Force Spirit before Vader's saber touched him. This is further proven by the fact that Obi, a master of Soresu, definetely would not have let his guard down like that unless it was deliberate. _______________ "To become a greater man, you must be a lesser one first." |
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Limana D'Kana - Student
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This all depends on when the persons would duel eachother.. No Movie Luke would not have beated young Obi, He would have killed Old obi tho. Ani would never have killed Palpatine if Pal not was using lightning on Luke, Ani didnt defeat Pal either, he threw him down in a hole... And in the JA games Kyle must have been the victory at the end of the game, and same thing with the guy you call Jaiden (Real name is Jaden). If he lost the fight you would just have to return to the saved game. There is nothing that says that Jaden actually was better than Kyle and Tavion. Your post is WEIRD! _______________ c",) c",) c",) c",) c",) c",) c",) c",) |
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Vaughn - Student
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Ok. Well, lets put this into perspective. Luke would beat Obi. I mean, seriously. Obi was killed by Vader. And Luke held off Vader... and then, well, kinda, killed him. Not exactly. Vader killed himself and then Anakin killed Palpy. (come on, you know what im talking about. Ep 4/6) Then, not withstanding, Jaiden Korr would own vader, and maul. Think about it. This is how it goes. It doesnt matter whos stronger or better, just who lives. Maul killes Quigon. Obi kills maul. Ani killes Dooku. Ani kills the Jedi in the temple. Ani and Obi tie, with Obi defaulting. Yoda and Palpy fight, with Palpy defaulting. Vader kills Obi. Vader and Luke tie, with Vader defaulting. Vader and Luke tie again, with Luke defaulting. Palpy shock therapy's Luke, with Palpy defaulting until Ani kills Vader (good side beats dark side, with Luke's help). Ani tosses a shock-therapying Palpy over the edge to his death. Ani dies. -flash to JK2- Kyle and Tavion tie, with Kyle defaulting. Luke and Desann fight, with Desann defaulting. Kyle kills Desann. -jk3- Jaden and Aroura (sp?) fight, Jaden defaulting. Jaden and Rosh fight, Jaden defaulting until Tavion arrives, and messes it up. -light path- Jaden Kills Aroura. Jaden and Tavion fight, Jaden defaults when Ragnos posesses Tavion. Jaden kills Ragnos. -dark path- Jaden kills Rosh. Jaden kills Aroura. Jaden kills Tavion. Jaden and Kyle fight, with Jaden defaulting (but runs away). Therefore, Jaden could have killed Maul. >_< What do i mean by defaulitng? well, with the happy exception of the final Jaden vs Kyle, it means that the person who defaults technically wins the fight, without killing the other person, or is still willing to fight when the other person runs away. In the last one, Jaiden beats kyle down, gets him stuck, then runs away. So kyle can't fight, and Jaden runs away. So, that being said... Jaden would have destroyed Maul. Edit: i didnt think people would take this so seriously :S _______________ When you become an actor, you become the person, and you dont act anymore. You just are. - Tyler HP, Taught by Mr G Simpson This comment was edited by Vaughn on Jul 28 2005 10:11pm. |
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Ecks - Student
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lol k, I never said he couldn't, I just said Obi beat Maul with luck lol. But that's just my opinion. _______________ "To become a greater man, you must be a lesser one first." |
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DarthMike - Student 
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Quote: I doubt obi wan just "happened" to catch him off guard. I doubt maul was stupid enough to forget about quigon's saber, I also doubt he thought obi wan didnt have the ability to leap out of that hole. When obi flips over him, maul is in no way off guard, he turns and faces obi wan, he just anticipates the swing wrong. It was, in fact, not swung the same way most swings are, coming from mauls left instead of his right. I believe that obi wan used just as much talent beating maul, that he did beating ani. They are similar situations, both with an opponet too overconfident. You misinterpret what I said. Obi beat Maul with luck. I highly doubt someone of Maul's ability would forget Qui-Gon's saber, as you said. So, when Obi comes up and cuts Maul in half, he is extremely lucky that Maul didn't react in time. Having experience with a bit of swordfighting myself, I know that when I have the adrenalin pumping through me, I won't let some guy jump behind me and cut me in half. So, Obi was lucky that he caught Maul off-guard at that moment - because Obi was attacking Maul, not vice versa. This is different from Obi .vs. Anakin, because Anakin was attacking Obi, and Obi knew exactly how to exploit the weakness. Against Maul, however, Obi had the disadvantage, and it was by luck, or the will of the Force, that he managed to cut Maul cleanly in half with such a precise blow, without Maul even reacting. OK, but i still think ani would beat quigon. _______________ "You can't get Windows on a Mac because the drivers are not compatible." --- Some dude from the Geek Squad "So if you have quad-core, you have four times the RAM, right?" --- Some guy at Best Buy |
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Ecks - Student
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Exactly what I mean. _______________ "To become a greater man, you must be a lesser one first." |
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DarthMike - Student
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Quote: But these are books. They are not canonical. Books have no relation to the movie. I judge the truth by the visual evidence, not how others write it from their own opinion. In the movie, Maul eventually had to resort to bashing Qui-Gon in the chin, and then finishing it off. I'm sorry, but I didn't realise that this was a movie-talk-thread.. You say Maul had to resort to bash Qui-Gon on the chin. You say it like it's not allowed, or like it would be somekind of exploiting in a game? The same style you commented on another thread, with Palpatine using too much Force Lightning, like it would be JK3 full force and you're loosing 'cause you can't utilize everything in the game as well as another person can? That's funny.. You also say you only believe in visual evidence? Like if something isn't shown in the movies then you don't believe it..? Like Anakin wasn't shown killing the younglings, you don't believe it? Of course it's in George Lucas' script and plot writing, which of course the books are based on too.. Strange.. Peace out.. Um, the books arent based on his script. It is just what the author feels like writing. I could write a book about star wars and itd be just as official as anyone elses. _______________ "You can't get Windows on a Mac because the drivers are not compatible." --- Some dude from the Geek Squad "So if you have quad-core, you have four times the RAM, right?" --- Some guy at Best Buy |
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Ecks - Student
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The books cannot be canonical. My comment on Palpatine abusing Force Lightning was a joke, if you did not realize Books are written from a point of view, they do not convey the unbiased truth. If you and I were to write a book on the Palpatine and Yoda fight, we would have conflicting stories. You continuously refer to the books and comics. You said that the books say that Maul killed with precision. But that is from the author's point of view. To me, he may have just been too inhuman to have any remorse. Anakin was shown to kill the younglings, because it was confirmed in the movies. You're taking what I say at literal value, which does not make sense. I believe in visual evidence not as in EXACTLY WHAT I SEE, but in the fact that it is what happened in real, flesh form, not in ink and paper, so as to achieve an unbiased opinion and view of what happens. And in the movie, it does show Anakin killing the younglings. Obi himself sees it on the holorecords. Lucas' script is merely what will happen visually in words. I'm talking about the emotions expressed. In the script, it will say something like "Maul stabs Qui-Gon." In a book, it would say something like "Maul, seeing his opening, feels his anger flow through him, knowing he is more skilled than Qui-Gon, and forces it all into the weak Jedi." My reference to Maul bashing Qui-Gon on the chin was showing that Maul had to resort to his weapon advantage over Qui-Gon. If Maul did not use the hilt-bash, Qui-Gon could have held off Maul long enough for Obi to come in. That has nothing to do with utilizing everything you have. Maul had a blasted staff, of course he could hilt bash, that was his only advantage over Qui-Gon. If he did not have the staff, and dueled with one saber, then the outcome would have been different. Qui-Gon could not have done the hilt-bash to Maul, so Maul had the unfair advantage. It was not a fair fight. _______________ "To become a greater man, you must be a lesser one first." This comment was edited by Ecks on Jul 20 2005 04:35pm. |
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Ataris - Milwaukees Finest 
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Quote: But these are books. They are not canonical. Books have no relation to the movie. I judge the truth by the visual evidence, not how others write it from their own opinion. In the movie, Maul eventually had to resort to bashing Qui-Gon in the chin, and then finishing it off. I'm sorry, but I didn't realise that this was a movie-talk-thread.. You say Maul had to resort to bash Qui-Gon on the chin. You say it like it's not allowed, or like it would be somekind of exploiting in a game? The same style you commented on another thread, with Palpatine using too much Force Lightning, like it would be JK3 full force and you're loosing 'cause you can't utilize everything in the game as well as another person can? That's funny.. You also say you only believe in visual evidence? Like if something isn't shown in the movies then you don't believe it..? Like Anakin wasn't shown killing the younglings, you don't believe it? Of course it's in George Lucas' script and plot writing, which of course the books are based on too.. Strange.. Peace out.. _______________ [ Honorable mentions: aph3x | Milamber | Bail Hope Belouve | Jaiko D'Kana | Rosered | JediEthic | Mike/JJ/TheKing | Kensei | Dane | Gradius | Thomas Skywalker | Pink Floyd | Setementor | Steinin | Odan-Wei ] [ Owner of: MetaDust's 500th comment! | Eica's 700th comment! | Pink Floyd's 666th, 999th, 1200th and 1337th comment! | DarkRyu's 400th comment! | Redeye's 1st comment! | Cow's 1111st comment! | Rufusan's 75th comment! | Wicek's 3300th and 3400th comment! | Dash Starlight's 2000th comment! | Piccolo's 3400th comment! | Takaru's 300th comment! | Senor Hat's 900th comment! | Rytandus' 4160th comment! | The first ever awarded, the original, the one and only, Catphin Award!!1 ] "Music expresses that which can not be put in to words but can not remain silent." This comment was edited by Ataris on Jul 20 2005 03:12pm. |
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Ecks - Student
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Quote: I doubt obi wan just "happened" to catch him off guard. I doubt maul was stupid enough to forget about quigon's saber, I also doubt he thought obi wan didnt have the ability to leap out of that hole. When obi flips over him, maul is in no way off guard, he turns and faces obi wan, he just anticipates the swing wrong. It was, in fact, not swung the same way most swings are, coming from mauls left instead of his right. I believe that obi wan used just as much talent beating maul, that he did beating ani. They are similar situations, both with an opponet too overconfident. You misinterpret what I said. Obi beat Maul with luck. I highly doubt someone of Maul's ability would forget Qui-Gon's saber, as you said. So, when Obi comes up and cuts Maul in half, he is extremely lucky that Maul didn't react in time. Having experience with a bit of swordfighting myself, I know that when I have the adrenalin pumping through me, I won't let some guy jump behind me and cut me in half. So, Obi was lucky that he caught Maul off-guard at that moment - because Obi was attacking Maul, not vice versa. This is different from Obi .vs. Anakin, because Anakin was attacking Obi, and Obi knew exactly how to exploit the weakness. Against Maul, however, Obi had the disadvantage, and it was by luck, or the will of the Force, that he managed to cut Maul cleanly in half with such a precise blow, without Maul even reacting. _______________ "To become a greater man, you must be a lesser one first." |
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Ecks - Student
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But these are books. They are not canonical. Books have no relation to the movie. I judge the truth by the visual evidence, not how others write it from their own opinion. In the movie, Maul eventually had to resort to bashing Qui-Gon in the chin, and then finishing it off. _______________ "To become a greater man, you must be a lesser one first." |
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Ataris - Milwaukees Finest 
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Quote: Maul was a beast, a skilled one, but still nothing more than a beast. That's why he lost - he still had the primal instinct to enjoy the kill, as opposed to just getting it done. With that in mind, you should really check out some of the comics/the darth maul book.. Maul finishes each kill with ice-cold precision.. He is obsessed with killing Jedi, because that is his life purpose.. That's why he enjoys killing THEM, but nonetheless he doesn't stand around and enjoy killing someone Sidious commands him to.. In one comic he wipes out a small army of people.. It was a meeting between some underground bosses, and they ofcourse had body guards.. like 10 each.. And Maul walks in, announces he's gonna kill them all, and then goes to work, taking probably less than 3 minutes to finish the job.. And there were even a witch of dathomir (?) as one of the bodyguards.. Those are a sisterhood who knows how to use the force.. She sends out force lightning and Darth Maul just stands and chokes her cold.. So I wouldn't classify Maul as a beast who just kills and then enjoys the kill with all his heart.. I would say he's a perfect killing machine, with no doubt in mind in any case.. Nobody's perfect, not even in the Star Wars galaxy.. And Maul's animalistic features only come out when he enjoys killing Obi-Wan.. Then again, to face the fact.. That was the last he enjoyed.. Peace _______________ [ Honorable mentions: aph3x | Milamber | Bail Hope Belouve | Jaiko D'Kana | Rosered | JediEthic | Mike/JJ/TheKing | Kensei | Dane | Gradius | Thomas Skywalker | Pink Floyd | Setementor | Steinin | Odan-Wei ] [ Owner of: MetaDust's 500th comment! | Eica's 700th comment! | Pink Floyd's 666th, 999th, 1200th and 1337th comment! | DarkRyu's 400th comment! | Redeye's 1st comment! | Cow's 1111st comment! | Rufusan's 75th comment! | Wicek's 3300th and 3400th comment! | Dash Starlight's 2000th comment! | Piccolo's 3400th comment! | Takaru's 300th comment! | Senor Hat's 900th comment! | Rytandus' 4160th comment! | The first ever awarded, the original, the one and only, Catphin Award!!1 ] "Music expresses that which can not be put in to words but can not remain silent." |
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Ataris - Milwaukees Finest
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The only drawback Maul had was his arrogancy, just like Anakin.. But when you read the book about Darth Maul, it seems impossible for Obi-Wan to beat him like that.. Because even though Maul's is constantly getting surprised in the book, he always has a backup plan/move.. There's this one "scene" in the book where he fights with a Jedi master, can't remember her/his name.. And Maul leaves openings in his defense on purpose just to use them and see how good the Jedi is.. He TESTS them with the risk of his life, and my god he is good enough to do that.. After reading the book you'll probably have another picture of Maul altogether.. And I suggest you do, because you will see how hard it would be for Obi-Wan to really "pwn" Maul like that.. Maul would notice it, and catch his legs off like Obi-Wan later did to Anakin in Ep3.. Peace _______________ [ Honorable mentions: aph3x | Milamber | Bail Hope Belouve | Jaiko D'Kana | Rosered | JediEthic | Mike/JJ/TheKing | Kensei | Dane | Gradius | Thomas Skywalker | Pink Floyd | Setementor | Steinin | Odan-Wei ] [ Owner of: MetaDust's 500th comment! | Eica's 700th comment! | Pink Floyd's 666th, 999th, 1200th and 1337th comment! | DarkRyu's 400th comment! | Redeye's 1st comment! | Cow's 1111st comment! | Rufusan's 75th comment! | Wicek's 3300th and 3400th comment! | Dash Starlight's 2000th comment! | Piccolo's 3400th comment! | Takaru's 300th comment! | Senor Hat's 900th comment! | Rytandus' 4160th comment! | The first ever awarded, the original, the one and only, Catphin Award!!1 ] "Music expresses that which can not be put in to words but can not remain silent." |
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Nuebus - Student 
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dude go watch ep1 again, when maul turns around 2 face him his saber isnt even on guard but holding it out and away from his body. if maul didnt show off after he shoved obi in the hole maul would've pwned him by choppin off his fingers or sumthin. and seriously u believe that maul would have thought of qui gon's saber? dude if he had he would've kicked hsi saber down teh hole as well. maul was caught off guard simple as that. _______________ Sanity is for the weak -Let the madness consume you... I'ma moron, i'm the master of morons, i even got a club of morons... so how do u beat me at bein a moron?... and no, not by being u. Ex-Padawan of Chaos~ |
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DarthMike - Student
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Quote: well if you consider that ownage than what obi wan did to maul is ownage too. No, that was luck. Happening to catch a Sith off-guard is lucky. Using your environment to gain the advantage over Anakin and exploiting his overconfidence is not. I doubt obi wan just "happened" to catch him off guard. I doubt maul was stupid enough to forget about quigon's saber, I also doubt he thought obi wan didnt have the ability to leap out of that hole. When obi flips over him, maul is in no way off guard, he turns and faces obi wan, he just anticipates the swing wrong. It was, in fact, not swung the same way most swings are, coming from mauls left instead of his right. I believe that obi wan used just as much talent beating maul, that he did beating ani. They are similar situations, both with an opponet too overconfident. _______________ "You can't get Windows on a Mac because the drivers are not compatible." --- Some dude from the Geek Squad "So if you have quad-core, you have four times the RAM, right?" --- Some guy at Best Buy |
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