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Carda Jowol - Student  |
I read a couple of posts from people who put complants in to new members not reading the rules etc and I was thinking to try to get new members to read the rules, maybe could be some kind of questionaire from the rules, for new members have to get correct to get an active account, questions will be taken from the rules, so if they want to get in they need to read the rules or they got no chance. People probably thinking thats not going to work cus if they get it wrong how will they know, and it wouldn't be fair etc, sure ya might be, maybe we can send emails to them saying they need to re do there sign up etc, probably reading the rules, at list this way it will stop cut down the rule braking for new members to be banned or get a bad rep with other students wouldn't be very nice for them etc. Tell me what ya think of this idea =) - Carda Jowol - _______________ [Gran Father/Founder of the Jowols] This post was edited by Carda Jowol on Mar 23 2005 09:10pm. |
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Akkarin - Student 
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Most people who break the rules know the rules but break them anyway, and if they don't there's always someone who will tell them they are breaking the rules which would usually be enough to make the person stop, if they don't, then they have just been informed of the rules and yet still choose to break them and so it is intentional. my point is that even if people pass the test it's not gonna stop them from breaking the rules because most people who break them do it knowingly. it will just make more work for the JAK+ who already work hard enough  |
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Carda Jowol - Student 
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rofl n00b and away from U! xD _______________ [Gran Father/Founder of the Jowols] |
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n00b - Student 
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The only good idea for new members is to keep them away from YOU. Muhahaha. _______________ Gone but hopefully not forgotten... |
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Tallepyon - Student 
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Many of the new students have read the rules, but following the rules is a different story entirely. Most of the rules are common sense so anyone could pass the so call questionaire. |
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Setementor - Jedi Master 
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I read them about 5 times or so, but because I hadn't seen the map, I had no idea what the NPC Room, Fort and other places mentioned on there were.  |
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Carda Jowol - Student
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lol nah ozzy ur ok =P _______________ [Gran Father/Founder of the Jowols] |
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ozzcoz - Cosplay Nerd 
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Um, I read the rules when I signed up. And I made my sister read the rules when she signed up not long ago. Am I all alone in a cold scary world?!?  _______________ A wizard did it. |
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Squibit - Student 
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Quote: That being said, in theory, "we" (the Jedi Academy staff) are allowed to punish, kick or ban ANYONE that breaks a rule. It is just that we are such nice people, that we don't  Though of course even without the tick box you could do this ... your server your website... your anything else JA related... Its just for show really, we all know you enjoy it at heart  _______________ Quote: fiZZe: its SIR Fizzy Fluffy :p Quote: FiZZ[JAK]: that was what I call a counter Ah, things you only ever expect to hear once 
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Aron - Retired 
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Here's the theory.. On signing up, users indeed have to check a checkbox that states they read the rules. It is comparable to a License Agreement. A lot of people (read: nobody) reads it when filling out a form, HOWEVER, agreeing with it, means you agree with everything stated in there. That being said, in theory, "we" (the Jedi Academy staff) are allowed to punish, kick or ban ANYONE that breaks a rule. It is just that we are such nice people, that we don't |
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Dash Starlight - Jedi Instructor 
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The way i see it is, that anyone who signs up with the JA is agreeing with the rules. Theres only one way to agree with them: to have read them. _______________ The name is Bond. James Bond. |
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Furi0us - Student 
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I'm one of those people! _______________ You are not your f***ing system specs. You are not your uptime stats, your script file, or your oversized desktop screencap. You are not your broadband connection. You are not your f***ing post count. |
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Squibit - Student
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Really the "Tick here if you have read and agree to follow the rules button" isn't there to make sure people read the rules... Sure it would be great if everyone read the rules and some people will (not sure on the percentage). But if they didnt put that there then people could say "Hey I never agreed to follow these rules!" For example... In an airport you have to sign somthing to say you havnt got any bombs drugs etc... They dont expect people with these items to admit to it. but if they DIDN'T have to sign the declaration then they could just say "hey you never said i wasnt allowed to bring this with me!" _______________ Quote: fiZZe: its SIR Fizzy Fluffy :p Quote: FiZZ[JAK]: that was what I call a counter Ah, things you only ever expect to hear once
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solitude - Jedi Council 
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Quote: this place is obviously not for them and they should seek further fortunes in a Star Trek forum. -Cas whats wrong with star trek? its so much better than star wars _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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JavaGuy - Student 
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When you sign up, you are told unambiguously: 1. Read the rules. 2. Ignorance of the rules is no excuse. That having been said, we actually do have a test for new members: Just follow the rules. If you get yourself banned, you failed the test. I've suggested a written test in the past, but I no longer support that idea. I think it would just be extra work for the staff and accomplish nothing. Rulebreakers know that they are rulebreakers. We don't need an extra "layer of proof" that a rulebreaker knows he's doing wrong because we've already established that every student is responsible for having read the rules anyway. _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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xAnAtOs - Student |
Yep, agreed 100% with Cas and Menaxia. _______________ Brother to Luke Skywalker and (SKX) Dark Blade 
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Casual - Student 
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I see your point(s) Squibit, but I still have to vote against an entrance quiz of any kind. I honestly think that a quiz is the equivalent of a short-term memory recital. I have been an English teacher for some time now, and also I have a fresh memory from my school days, but if you see how many people have actually acquired the knowledge versus learning stuff by heart (and then inevitably forgetting them) the numbers would be insignificant. But that is beside the point. My point is still that troublemakers and rulebreakers have been here always and they will always continue to pop up every now and then. Why create such a fuss over it every single time someone doesn't follow the rules? The need for drastic measures is inexistant in my opinion, and from a bystander's point of view (like I said, I don't visit the servers anymore) the JAK+ are handling these delicate situations marvellously. It would be too much to ask of them to go through dozens and dozens of quiz answers and then having to reply to some baffled students why they couldn't join the Academy because they "only got 3 out of 10 right". Doesn't sound like a friendly and welcoming place, does it? But, to further emphasise my point, I wouldn't think it to be to much trouble to organise some sort of JAK+ training classes (if they don't exist already) to acquaint the knights and trainers with the means and methods on how to handle people who break the rules. Even though this academy works like a well-oiled jack-in-the-box, I'm sure that situations arise where a new JAK might be quite unsure what to do next. Just my idea, and I, like always, am not looking for mass popularity to back them up Besides (no flaming intended even if this does sound harsh) you have to be quite an idiot to understand that acting against the rules would be tolerated. Every student when signing up has a chance to read the rules and they aren't exactly hard to find when browsing the Academy site. Furthermore, most of the threads in the Academy discussion have something to do with rulebreaking (pessimistic, I know), so if one doesn't after all that and the one permitted mistake (since everyone is entitled to a second chance) still get the picture, then this place is obviously not for them and they should seek further fortunes in a Star Trek forum. -Cas _______________ Thanks to the human heart by which we live, Thanks to its tenderness, its joys, and fears, To me the meanest flower that blows can give Thoughts that do often lie too deep for tears. |
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Squibit - Student 
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OK Firstly let me say that I DONT think a questionaire would be a good idea... however. Not for the same reasons as Menaxia and Casual Quote: Besides, what will you do with people who struggle with their English? Hire translators and create the quiz slash exam in the applicants' target languages? Quote: Since when did the JA become a selective grammar school for JK3? Ok firstly I’d like to point you funnily enough to the rules page Quote: Please stick to the English language. A small chat in other languages is ok, but remember that English is the main language of the Academy. If a JAK+ Asks someone to stop doing something that they shouldn’t be. Saying “I don’t understand you” In a non-English language would not excuse them. As to the Poor English skills (grammar, trouble with spelling) Quote: I guess that it would have to be a test of truth or false questions. Maybe not quite only true or false questions but we aren’t expecting Essays here “Where is the only place on the servers where it is permitted to use guns without special permission” would be a possible question and the answer “It is permitted only in the Fortress” or heck just “Fort” would be quite adequate answers. It isn’t an English test as long as what they meant by the answer is understood that would be sufficient. MY arguments for not having a rules questionnaire are … Actually I don’t have any, other than the fact it would take effort to implement and I can’t think of any good reasons FOR having the test either. Far as I’m concerned: Current system is working Woot Woot to the JA Staff. --Squibit of Belouve _______________ Quote: fiZZe: its SIR Fizzy Fluffy :p Quote: FiZZ[JAK]: that was what I call a counter Ah, things you only ever expect to hear once
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Henkes - Student 
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I agree with Menaxia and Casual on this. Also a little thing I'd like to add. The people that have been here a little longer, such as myself, can also help out on this. If you see somebody disrespecting another person, or if somebody is violating the rules, don't hold back on pointing them on it. I remember when I just joined this place it was overwhelming. But the guidance that my fellow students gave me have turned me into the person that I am today. Don't underestimate your influence as a student. Yours Faithfully, Henkes _______________ Get on your feet and do the Funky Alfonzo! |
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Casual - Student 
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I'm agreeing 100% with Menaxia. This would be among the first steps into creating an exclusive community, which has always been something the JA has tried to avoid. Besides, what will you do with people who struggle with their English? Hire translators and create the quiz slash exam in the applicants' target languages? And also, what about people who have trouble with letters and words (dyslexics as an extreme)? Also, even though this community IS swelling up like a balloon, I'd hate to see this devolving in such a way that we'll start filtering members on the basis of an entry exam. What COULD be done would be to increase the amount of admins/knights (with appropriate carefulness of course), and to force THEM to take a course/class which provides them with sufficient means to uphold order and a civilised atmosphere in the servers and all the other dark corners of this community. And no, I'm not trying to single out the JAK+ as the sole responsibles for the common welfare of The Jedi Academy. All in all, what I'm trying to say is that even though providing a quiz for all new members sounds like an entertaining and functioning idea to enhance the proper following of the Academy rules, I definitely vote that something less drastic has to be figured out. It is true that reading the academy rules is for some students the equivalent of clicking the tiresome "I accept the terms of the licence agreement" on any/all computer software they use without actually reading the agreement. So before THAT problem is dealt with, I propose that those students who act against the rules will always be given a second chance on the ground that they should read the rules "again". And if they still continue to violate them, it is obvious that they don't give a rat's *ss about the rules and thus they can be cast into the fiery pits of hell along with Jacen's laundry. -Cas _______________ Thanks to the human heart by which we live, Thanks to its tenderness, its joys, and fears, To me the meanest flower that blows can give Thoughts that do often lie too deep for tears. |
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Menaxia - Student 
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You realise you are advocating an entrance exam. Since when did the JA become a selective grammar school for JK3? _______________ This is not the place to look for me |
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Gradius - Ex-Student 
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It's been suggested plenty of times. But, the problem is, we don't want to have to resort to that. There's already something you have to click that says you have read the rules when you fill out an application. Although most people click that without even reading the rules, adding a questionaire would be something we shouldn't have to do. Although, I do agree that eventually it should be done, especially since this community is so large and growing everyday; however, we have to do our best to encourage that pople read the rules on their own. If someone is new and is breaking a rule, chances are they don't know it's a rule. Politely point them towards the rules page. _______________ - Proud padawan of Kueller. - We really are at the beginning of it all. The trick, of course, is to make sure we never find the end. - Bill Bryson, A Short History of Nearly Everything - <gen-e-sis-happy> Liek, you can train, liek, a n00b, but he'll just be a trained n00b... --> Wise words! - "daer SOE me likes your a company i am having your some money for letting me do stuff cos mes the best amd i do it all meself" - Slider |
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Rosie - Student 
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I guess that it would have to be a test of truth or false questions. Firstly you would not tell them which anwers right or wrong. Just a (you got 5 right out of 10). But still someone would just try til the got em right. ....why bother, when you can read the rules another option would be to have several question that randomly would constitue a test. ex. 30 questions, 10 per test. ah well...all this is additional work to the JAC so I dont know....:/ We should just continue with our welcome messages and point out where the rules are and thay they should read them |
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Jo_Mintaka - Student 
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yes, great idea! (better than me stupid one) its just that.... ppl will try to sign up and get some questions right and wrong and there not accepted say. then they will come back with a different name and use all the right answers. dont know if me theory is right but an idea and everyone plz forgive me on me other way of telling the academy. _______________ Joined Jan 27 2005 [Owner of Pink Floyd's 525th, 1100th and 4002nd comments! Darth Mike's accidental 999 and 1001 comments! addiat's 1975 comment! |
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